Reply to: Once sentenced, jailed and released - is your debt to society over?

[vetran]

One thing that gets me is that he seems to be the only footballer to have actually been sent down for this crime. If you Google for footballers who have been accused of rape and then see how many have been sentenced its quite a small list, in fact here's a list of footballers who have been 'banged up' as it were: List of professional sportspeople convicted of crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. There do seem to be numerous cases of football players being accused and then being found innocent, i.e Robin Van Persie, Titus Bramble, etc. and you have to think who is the guilty party here?

Successful convictions in rape cases are very low about 6% . Not sure whether this is due to Rape being a name given to all sorts of situations and therefore very difficult to prove in many cases because its one person's word or perception against another's.

Both must be absolutely certain that consent is given and they were completely fit to give it without doubt.

That hasn't been my experience when on a one night stand, it normally means ripping clothes off and getting down to it normally fuelled by alcohol.

The story from attraction to consummation may not include dinner or a movie and could be a fairly short time frame. Though wandering in and seeing my mate naked with a girl to whipping it out isn't something that hasn't happened to me thank god that would be a lot yucky.

Combine this with the documented behavior of many young girls who seem to try to snag a sportsman as a way to fame & fortune and are willing to do anything to achieve this, it is a scary landscape out there.

The girl in this case drank a significant amount of alcohol yet she saw it as a normal amount maybe we need to breathalise everyone before getting jiggy?

I sometimes wish I had the certainty so many on this board seem to have that anyone accused or even convicted must be completely guilty.

So it could be all these footballers are really rapists or they play in places where its easy and profitable to accuse them of rape, I'm not going to judge without the full facts.

[darmstadt]

One thing that gets me is that he seems to be the only footballer to have actually been sent down for this crime. If you Google for footballers who have been accused of rape and then see how many have been sentenced its quite a small list, in fact here's a list of footballers who have been 'banged up' as it were: List of professional sportspeople convicted of crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. There do seem to be numerous cases of football players being accused and then being found innocent, i.e Robin Van Persie, Titus Bramble, etc. and you have to think who is the guilty party here?

[vetran]

The suggestion was that she was drunk and therefore unfit to give consent. So if she was fit to consent for Clayton why not Evans a short while later with no further alcohol consumed, what changed?

It doesn't make me think he is any less of a slimy scumbag using star struck girls for sex while the girlfriend is at home. Its not behavior I would indulge in or expect my children to.

I do suspect that the combination of cheating on the girlfriend and a threesome offended the jury.

but bits of this stink. If she has tried this in the past then it smells worse.

[ZARDOZ]

If true that should be dealt with by the courts?

IMO he has been found guilty - so a high profile role where he is expected to serve as an example to others (especially children) is inappropriate?

I kind of agree, but it doesn't seem quite right,
1/ She was bragging about buying a Mini Cooper with her compo, bit strange
2/ Had claimed some rugby players raped her a while ago but the case was dropped
3/ Ched's Girlfriend has stood by him. She's richer than him, so not for monetary reasons. She must have heard the evidence.



IIRC both men were originally accused of rape. But the first case collapsed as there wasn't enough evidence. Ched's actions might appear to be those of a rapist (sneaking in) but how do we know he was not invited? If she did indeed have past form then perhaps he should have been given the benefit of the doubt. I guess we will never know. There may be other factors that have not been reported that point toward him being guilty.

[vetran]

Has the scrote not appealed once already?

no to appeal you need new evidence or to suggest the case was tried incorrectly.
Appeals to the Court of Appeal: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service

he wasn't granted leave to appeal AIUI.

No Brillo having recently had experience in court I doubt most people in the legal system could find their rear end.Arrogant bunch of muppets.

[BrilloPad]

Personally think him returning to Sheff United is bad publicity for them, undecided whether he should be allowed to continue in a high profile role, leaning more toward not.

However, there is something fishy about this case, allegedly the victim had once before called rape on a high profile Rugby Player there was also some bragging on Twiiter about how she would spend her compo. Seems a possibility there may have been some sort of set up here.

If true that should be dealt with by the courts?

IMO he has been found guilty - so a high profile role where he is expected to serve as an example to others (especially children) is inappropriate?

[vetran]

Personally think him returning to Sheff United is bad publicity for them, undecided whether he should be allowed to continue in a high profile role, leaning more toward not.

However, there is something fishy about this case, allegedly the victim had once before called rape on a high profile Rugby Player there was also some bragging on Twiiter about how she would spend her compo. Seems a possibility there may have been some sort of set up here.

I'm also a bit confused about the grant of consent to Clayton at least an hour after she last drank so the drink would have taken effect and the apparent inability to grant consent a few minutes later to the other footballer. Not really consistent. I suspect the guilty verdict had more to do with views on his loose morals than facts.

I await the appeal if he is ever granted permission to appeal.

I suppose it might make footballers more cautious about what they do with their willies in future so its not entirely a bad thing.

[ZARDOZ]

Personally think him returning to Sheff United is bad publicity for them, undecided whether he should be allowed to continue in a high profile role, leaning more toward not.

However, there is something fishy about this case, allegedly the victim had once before called rape on a high profile Rugby Player there was also some bragging on Twiiter about how she would spend her compo. Seems a possibility there may have been some sort of set up here.

[BrilloPad]

What??!? Don't bring me in to this!!

Have you paid your debt to CUK?

[northernladuk]

This has a slightly different spin:

Ched Evans: Sorry, but all rapes are not the same - Telegraph

For dear old Freako: All rape isn't the same, allegedly.

That's a pretty interesting article. Haven't followed the story much but still an interesting read.

EDIT : And for discussion there is a case today of a pre-meditated ally rape where he got 5 years as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-rumours.html

[northernladuk]

Like NL?

Does that mean I can officially post "read the First Timers guide"?

What??!? Don't bring me in to this!!

[d000hg]

I could have been once. But years on CUK have introduced me to generalisations, extrapolations and speaking without knowing few(if any) of the facts.

Don't be so modest, you're a natural.

[BrilloPad]

You are now a fully qualified lawyer

Like NL?

Does that mean I can officially post "read the First Timers guide"?

[DodgyAgent]

I could have been once. But years on CUK have introduced me to generalisations, extrapolations and speaking without knowing few(if any) of the facts.

You are now a fully qualified lawyer

[BrilloPad]

Have you ever thought of becoming an expert witness BP?

I could have been once. But years on CUK have introduced me to generalisations, extrapolations and speaking without knowing few(if any) of the facts.