Reply to: Migrants have no rights to benefits

[OwlHoot]

UKIP and the anti-European Tories blame the EU for what is actually the fault of UK politicians and UK civil servants.

But if we weren't in the EU then those UK politicians and civil servants couldn't hide behind it and use it as an excuse.

So it's still the fault of the EU.

[SueEllen]

10 years ago you'd have been right.

Nowadays people are realising the problem is the fact that all three 'mainstream' political parties basically believe in the same things. And of course all under the EU.

As if to prove a point...

David Cameron tells Labour, LibDems and Green supporters in Rochester and Strood: Vote Tory and stop Ukip - Telegraph

Vote Labour, vote Lib Dem, vote Conservative. And get the same bloody Government.

Notice I said " the fault of UK politicians and UK civil servants"

Nigel Farage hasn't been reported as saying he's getting rid of tax credits....

NB I forgot most people who are claiming housing benefit are in work and aren't subject to the benefit cap.

[Flashman]

UKIP and the anti-European Tories blame the EU for what is actually the fault of UK politicians and UK civil servants.

10 years ago you'd have been right.

Nowadays people are realising the problem is the fact that all three 'mainstream' political parties basically believe in the same things. And of course all under the EU.

As if to prove a point...

David Cameron tells Labour, LibDems and Green supporters in Rochester and Strood: Vote Tory and stop Ukip - Telegraph

Vote Labour, vote Lib Dem, vote Conservative. And get the same bloody Government.

[Zero Liability]

if this is true then why are the Tories not pointing it out?

I can't imagine it'd sit very well with the well connected parts of big business treating it as a top up to the wages they pay.

[SueEllen]

if this is true then why are the Tories not pointing it out?

Two words - TAX CREDITS

Most other EU states have a contributory based system which means you either get nothing i.e. Spain or very little i.e. Germany if you haven't lived and worked in the country for a good number of years when you end up unemployed.

The UK has mainly an entitlement based system. Even the contributory rate of JSA is the same as the entitlement rate of JSA though the rules are different.

Tax credits are based on entitlements to benefits. If the Tories or any other party decided to get rid of tax credits the number of people on the dole would increase as people would work out that being on the dole is better than taking a minimum wage job for 16/24/40 hours. Large businesses wouldn't be happy as they would have to increase their wages to obtain and keep workers including those from the EU who are also entitled to tax credits.

This is somewhat seen in the contractor market where the likes of the Indian outsourcers hire contractors at a very low rate. Once people live here, work out how expensive it is in the UK they decide to leave or refuse to work for them.

[northernladuk]

UKIP and the anti-European Tories blame the EU for what is actually the fault of UK politicians and UK civil servants.

I don't think that is quite true. They are more than vocal in blaming the past leaders on their mistakes as well.

[NickFitz]

if this is true then why are the Tories not pointing it out?

They are. Cameron has been quoted on the news, going on about how it proves he was right all along. He seems to have dropped the line that the European court is the root of all evil for this occasion

[tractor]

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He is more of a friend of the poor than any of the labour party with the exception of Frank Field

Yes but it's all relative, most of NL were further right than Boris but they'd never admit it.

[DodgyAgent]

Because the systems that underpin the services are so good that they could easily accomodate a big change?

Because IDS is the friend of the poor?

He is more of a friend of the poor than any of the labour party with the exception of Frank Field

[tractor]

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if this is true then why are the Tories not pointing it out?

Because the systems that underpin the services are so good that they could easily accomodate a big change?

Because IDS is the friend of the poor?

[xoggoth]

Most have, in fact it is pretty much EU law

Indeed. No idea why it was never applied.

[DodgyAgent]

if this is true then why are the Tories not pointing it out?

[vetran]

Bloody benefit claiming migrants

oh look trees and straw!

[darmstadt]

Bloody benefit claiming migrants

[SueEllen]

Most have, in fact it is pretty much EU law

UKIP and the anti-European Tories blame the EU for what is actually the fault of UK politicians and UK civil servants.