Reply to: The Dark Side beckons....

[Dark Black]

So it must be high-paying then. Get over yourself and take it if you need the money.

Not really, but enough to be into the 40% tax bracket - I think the way things are looking that it's increasingly unlikely I'll take it - beginning to leave a bad taste in the mouth and remind about all the things I hate about perm work.

[northernladuk]

If it pays enough, why does IR35 matter!

But you don't know it is paying well enough so a bit of a waste of a post really. It would be safer to assume that it isn't going to pay too well if they budget is set and gonna get eaten alive by a contractor rate for a period so IR35 is very important

[MarillionFan]

You are a devious man DaveB. I like it!!!



Don't need to mention IR35 at this point then?

If it pays enough, why does IR35 matter!

[northernladuk]

Then claim it was the stress of the job that made you do it and go on long term sick leave untill you can get a contract. Boomed!

You are a devious man DaveB. I like it!!!

I'd be willing to do it as a contractor initially and then take the permie role at the end

Don't need to mention IR35 at this point then?

[d000hg]

On the downside I've checked out how much Tax/NI I'll be paying

So it must be high-paying then. Get over yourself and take it if you need the money.

[Dark Black]

Bit of an update - turns out the initial work package is totally different to the primary job spec that they were selling the job for - different technologies etc

Without boring with the details, suffice to say it's not the sort of thing I'd want to be doing as a permie.... so I fed this back but have said I'd be willing to do it as a contractor initially and then take the permie role at the end (if it was still available).

It's all about mindsets - as a contractor I'm quite happy to do any old tulip and bill for it, as a permie I have higher expectations about the sort of work I'm prepared to do!

If they play ball then fair do's and I get to invoice for a bit longer - if not then I can sleep easy knowing I've narrowly escaped a naff job.

[DaveB]

Nope, you would just have to rip his ******* head off and be done with it

Then claim it was the stress of the job that made you do it and go on long term sick leave untill you can get a contract. Boomed!

[The Wikir Man]

Looks like i'm also in the offing for some perminant work. Down to the last 2 so fingers crossed.

As long as you don't have to spell permanent you should be ok.

[MikeC1408]

Except for the part when you have to sit next to the most annoying indian in the world that insists on trying to make small talk to me ALL day regardless of how rude I act. Luckily the contract will end before I rip his ******* head off.

Don't have that get out clause in permie

Nope, you would just have to rip his ******* head off and be done with it

[northernladuk]

When I took the permie shilling in 2000, I just looked upon it as a low-paid contract. It's so much fun being a permie with a contractor mindset. You get to behave like you always wanted to as a contractor, but wanted your contract renewed.

Except for the part when you have to sit next to the most annoying indian in the world that insists on trying to make small talk to me ALL day regardless of how rude I act. Luckily the contract will end before I rip his ******* head off.

Don't have that get out clause in permie

[the_duderama]

Looks like i'm also in the offing for some perminant work. Down to the last 2 so fingers crossed. Also the perm rate is very close to what I'm getting now so oh yeah.

I'll go back into contract work when i'm older and wiser when i can get away with charging £500 per day. Save up some cash, and retire when I'm 50, booya!

[NotAllThere]

When I took the permie shilling in 2000, I just looked upon it as a low-paid contract. It's so much fun being a permie with a contractor mindset. You get to behave like you always wanted to as a contractor, but wanted your contract renewed.

[MarillionFan]

I have a permie offer on the table at the mo. Even went out for lunch last night with my 'new boss' (whos basically my old boss)

Package isnt coming up to the 90k with bonus I was offered though

So said, I need to do some more numbers before deciding. Have until tomorrow!

[northernladuk]

Take it.

Milk it for everything you can get - Paid holiday, training, bank holidays etc.

When the market picks up again you can jump ship and put it down as a long term contract on the CV if needs be.

Totally WHS. Look at the benefits not the downsides. If a stint there gives you new qualifications and skills that can add 20 quid a day to your rate for the next 10 years you will be in a better position than I am if I can't progress so count it as a very valuable investment.

If it feeds the coffers when they would be heading in the other direction while on the bench you can wake up happier as well.

Good luck!!

[DaveB]

Take it.

Milk it for everything you can get - Paid holiday, training, bank holidays etc.

When the market picks up again you can jump ship and put it down as a long term contract on the CV if needs be.