Reply to: Alex Mann - I will never deal with again

[ratewhore]

So - has anybody else got a bad experience with AMS.

If you can call non-payment a bad experience then yes. I used the late payment legislation against them and they paid up for the penalties and interest, so not all bad!!

How can an agency tote themselves as being independent when they actually email using the end clients @ address.

This is regular business practice and is a reflection of the working arrangements between the client and the agency. You can see how independent they are if you ever have to sue them. Watch the client distance themselves faster than the speed of light...

[BrilloPad]

Anybody else notice that this thread is almost a year old?

No?

Just me then...

I did. But so many old threads resurrected these days...

I still hope to see andyw threads around!

[NickFitz]

Yeh I did, I got excited when I saw Denny's posts thinking she's back, then looked at the date!

Narrow escape...

[SandyDown]

Anybody else notice that this thread is almost a year old?

No?

Just me then...

Yeh I did, I got excited when I saw Denny's posts thinking she's back, then looked at the date!

[NickFitz]

Anybody else notice that this thread is almost a year old?

No?

Just me then...

[DodgyAgent]

The problem with a company like AM is that if you perform badly or p*** someone off the word is going to get around. If this happens (which is more than likely what happened to Denny) then no one in their right mind will admit it to you, so they will use every excuse under the sun other than tell the truth. I am not suggesting that this is the case as far as you guys are concerned but it is a possibilty.

[Fred Bloggs]

Good luck lawrenso, but in all honesty, yours is a case study in how not to act. Never, under any circumstances jack with a client until the ink is dry on the new gig. They'll usually wait a week at the new gig if you explain the reasons why you've not given notice at the old gig. It's happened to me about 3 times and I've never lost a job by insisting on a signed contract before jacking. Others MMV of course.................

[vth567]

Lodge complaint for Alex Mann to the Business Enterprise and Regulation Bureau

Employment bureaus Should investigate AMS. Complaints towards AMS can be kicked off via the 'Business Enterprise and Regulation Reform':

http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/empl...page27003.html

I have had problems dealing with them also. Promising contracts on behalf of their customers since their customers outsource to them.

There's something fishy there.

[lawrenso]

What did I do

I think my original post has started WW3 - can people calm down before fingers are sprained banging on their keyboards.

To be honest - this whole thing is Chicken and the Egg - which came first!!

Companies feel they are to busy to try to find a contractor directly - lets face it, there is a lot of pretenders out there who will send their CV for anything so they go to an agency or two to try and weed these ones out - fair enough. However, getting in an RPO (I only heard this term myself in the last week or so with my dealings with AMS) to deal with all aspects of their recruitment and resource finding totally limits them to what resources they can get. As a previous poster put it, AMS blocked his bid via an external agency for a lower - and perhaps better suited role - because they wished to put him forward for a higher role, and then didn't even bother to put him forward for the higher role.

People have their own agenda's etc... I think I would rather work with an agency on a commision - as long as their cut is acceptable - than an RPO who I am sure are salaried with perhaps only a small amount or bonus from the end rate. The guy/girl on commission will be hungry and will try to make both sides happy - doesn't always work this way though, the guy/girl on a salary with an RPO will be on the side of their client every time, even if the client wishes something different. I am a prime example - I am getting a v.good rate for this role, really more than I wanted, this happend because there is some element of weekend work on this project (major upgrades) and I wanted some extra to cover this element, thats all, AMS went away and got me a flat rate all in per hour - at an amount I would of been happy with for the weekend element - this is being applied whenever I work for the client now and is costing them a hell of a lot more - hence the duration has been cut!!

on a littler asside, in regards to Rates - I do believe that if you accept a rate and you find out the agency is taking a massive cut you really don't have a leg to stand on in regards to your money, but you do with regards to your client getting ripped of by the agency.

Just my two penneth worth

And I "Will never Deal with AMS ever again" (unless that is the only thing available at that time)

Cheers

Lawrenso

[ratewhore]

This is GREAT!!! I have made comment on Denny's posts in the past. I have been off the forum for a few months but it's nice to come back and see she's still full of the same old drivel.

Denny, we all know you're marvellous and we all know you know that the recruitment model is broken. I would have thought with your amazing skills and experience you would have doubled away by now and fixed it!!

But no - you still choose to sit on here and bleat away. Personally, I'd listen to Mal any day as he generally posts informative stuff and, generally, seems to live in the real world rather than the contractor utopia you seem to have dreamed up.

And for what it's worth, I had to threaten Alex Mann with court for late payment. They paid up in full, along with penalties and interest. I would think twice about using them again but the reality for us is, if you have to use them to land the gig you want, you will.

[Denny]

It's posts like that, that turns readers off the forums.

I'm glad you agree with me.

[Sausage Surprise]

You should be wearing your PCG hat all of the time, if you want to brand yourself as the forum expert on here, which you clearly do.

My attitude has always been to give informed answers, some of which are very long and, I hope helpful, at least to those who have and still continue to PM me. I have also had a laugh at others and myself. Consequently, I should still be the same well respected and high profile poster I once was. It was due to the integrity and effort I put into my answers that I was once a well respected member of this forum, appreciated when posting and missed when not.

That was before a concerted effort was made in the spring of this year to discredit me by you and your merry band of henchmen all becuase of one highly uninformed and inaccurate post from Vito, whoever he is, who claimed incorrectly that I had accused him of being a tax evader. I didn't see you coming to my rescue then, only to take advantage of the situation for your own benefit. Since then, it is clear that some of you on here and probably the same mob posting on the PCG have gone out of their way to hound me off that forum and this one, just because I didn't hold the same ultra right wing or pro-recruiter views as some of you. So I didn't flounce off, as you put it. I was bullied off.

IBullying is not something we should be applauding on here and I'll be damned if I will allow myself to be patronised and ridiculed and misrepresented because I have something to say that doens't fit cosily into some BNP manifesto document or because I am a woman.

We should all be embracing diversity of political views and opinion as well as having a laugh and joke which I am more than capable of doing. There is no room for the kind of bigotry and ignorance that turns so many readers off this forum and turned me off it too for far too long.

It's posts like that, that turns readers off the forums.

[puterDude]

... this is the first reference I have seen to RPO and what it stands for ...

Here are some other really useful definitions for the acronym RPO (courtesy of http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com)

Radiation Protection Officer
Railway Post Office
Random Pre-Ordering
Really P!zzed Off
Reasonable and Prudent Operator
Record Purpose Only
Recovery Point Objective
Recruitment Process Outsourcing
Regional Planning Organization
Regular Production Option
Regulating Petty Officer
Reliability Programs Office
Religious Petty Officer
Repair Parts Order
Responsible Pet Owner
Retail Postal Outlet
Retailer Performance Overview
Reuse Project Officer
Revertive Pulse - Originating
Revolutions Per Orbit
Right Posterior Oblique
Rolling PullOut (aircraft maneuver)
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra

Sam

[DodgyAgent]

The most you've ever project managed is EB fax machine toner replacements.

That's quite funny for you.

[BrowneIssue]

In answer to your first question: RPO stands for Recruitment Process Outsourcing.

Four months on the bench, reading the trade press, job web sites, subscribed to all sorts of work-related and contract related mailing lists and this is the first reference I have seen to RPO and what it stands for.

It's a good job I discovered Contractor UK's fora!

It seems no matter how long you've been at this game, there's always stuff you've never had exposure to that others know all about and think everyone else knows all about.