One way to manage it is to take the gig but put it through a brolly that understands this is a type of contract you can claim expenses against. You can then put a load of cash into your pension if that's useful / practical to trim down the tax bill further.
I'd be inclined to get everything in writing, signed by someone with the authority to sign on behalf of the company. That'll get legal involved who will most likely put the kibosh on it.
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- 2 months in, effectively been working as an outside contractor
- Client has turned around and said it should have been on a contract basis the start, and want to switch
In my uniformed and usually wrong opinion this is likely budgetary and nothing else. You shouldn't have been on head count and should have been paid for by the project and nothing more. That fact alone blows an outside determination. You are doing exactly the same but under a different budget. I'd also say they either don't understand the CEST tool or are fudging it to get the outcome they want. IMO Couldn't be more inside... but as pointed out it's not your risk.... or is it?Last edited by northernladuk; 18 June 2024, 08:41.
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Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View Postliability is with them
Personally, I wouldn't touch an outside contract under Chapter 10, only Chapter 8, especially in the circumstances you describe, but YMMV (as long as you understand the risks and you're happy with any mitigation).
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Originally posted by sadkingbilly View Post
and get canned right away? - first six months perm you have few rights.
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Originally posted by dsc View Post
So you were outside, went perm and now they want you outside again?
Seems to me like they are trying to get rid of you as a permie as they want to get rid of you as soon as the project is done (or enters some particular stage).
I'd say fook em and stay perm considering the current market.
What's the money like?
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Doesn’t sound like something HR would sign off on in a large org!
As above, it sounds like they wanted to lock you in with a perm contract at some point in the past and now no longer want/need that so would like to go back to a flexible arrangement.
If they’re bumping up your pay significantly when changing from perm to contract and you’re happy with a change from perm to contract, I don’t see an issue.
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Originally posted by ResistanceFighter View PostHere this out before immediately replying "absolutely not".- Did 2 days work for a client on an Outside basis.
- On the basis of that initial work, the project was kicked off
- Was offered a full time role as an employee, took it due to market conditions
- This has all been direct, no agency involved
- 2 months in, effectively been working as an outside contractor
- Client has turned around and said it should have been on a contract basis the start, and want to switch
- Client went though CEST tool - Outside determination
- Client is not classed as a small organisation due to number of employees & turnover, so liability is with them, and they know this and still seem keen
based purely on that last point is the only reason why I'm asking the question here and entertaining the idea, what do you think?
Seems to me like they are trying to get rid of you as a permie as they want to get rid of you as soon as the project is done (or enters some particular stage).
I'd say fook em and stay perm considering the current market.
What's the money like?
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Employee to Contract
Hear this out before immediately replying "absolutely not".- Did 2 days work for a client on an Outside basis.
- On the basis of that initial work, the project was kicked off
- Was offered a full time role as an employee, took it due to market conditions
- This has all been direct, no agency involved
- 2 months in, effectively been working as an outside contractor
- Client has turned around and said it should have been on a contract basis the start, and want to switch
- Client went though CEST tool - Outside determination
- Client is not classed as a small organisation due to number of employees & turnover, so liability is with them, and they know this and still seem keen
based purely on that last point is the only reason why I'm asking the question here and entertaining the idea, what do you think?Last edited by ResistanceFighter; 18 June 2024, 07:57.Tags: None
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