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Originally posted by TheDude View Post
Agency have claimed renewal is in pipeline for a few weeks but confirmation of renewal was received today - contract expires in two days time.
In the meantime I did what anyone without a firm offer would do and seek new contracts and have secured a role paying a much higher day rate which I can start in a few weeks time.
I don't see any problem you can negotiate a leaving date.Last edited by BlasterBates; 4 August 2022, 00:10.
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Originally posted by eek View Post
Not quite - (at the moment) the umbrella firm is your permanent employer, so perfectly allowed to sign a contract on your behalf...
What it shouldn't be doing is signing things without the agreement of the employee because that is just going to create the awkward scenario that is about to play out for TheDude , the end client, the agency and the umbrella 3 of whom have assumed that TheDude is happy to continuing working at the same rate..
* Again there are bits there to cover the fact the market is changing following the holiday pay ruling.
Interested to see the changes you've aluded to coming to fruitition though.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostYou will probably have been informed about the renewal and you didn't object.
In the meantime I did what anyone without a firm offer would do and seek new contracts and have secured a role paying a much higher day rate which I can start in a few weeks time.
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The agency has a contract with the Umbrella company so they don't need your signature. The umbrella company probably doesn't care about whether you've signed a contract or not as they will only pay you for work done. It only becomes important to have your agreement if the terms and conditions change. I presume there is a notice period so if you wish to leave then just give notice.You will probably have been informed about the renewal and you didn't object.Last edited by BlasterBates; 3 August 2022, 14:04.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
The umbrella is nothing more than a payment vehicle at the end of the day.
What it shouldn't be doing is signing things without the agreement of the employee because that is just going to create the awkward scenario that is about to play out for TheDude , the end client, the agency and the umbrella 3 of whom have assumed that TheDude is happy to continuing working at the same rate..
* Again there are bits there to cover the fact the market is changing following the holiday pay ruling.
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Originally posted by TheDude View Post
Employees sign contracts on behalf of their employer all the time.
My issue is not about signing - it is about rejecting.
So the chain is client->agent->umbrella->you. You have no contractual relationship with the agent. Your umbrella does and then they provide you as an employee under their terms.
As Eek says though, you should be getting visibility of the contract to agree terms. The umbrella doesn't care so you should be getting eyes on it and advising the umbrella. For them to do the deed and keep you in the dark isn't smart. Renewals might be slightly different as it's a continuation of the terms but again you should have some skin in the arrangement as you are the one doing the work. The umbrella is nothing more than a payment vehicle at the end of the day.
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Originally posted by TheDude View PostSince taking my first inside gig and working through my current agent I have never received or signed a contract renewal - the agent informs me that the umbrella signs this on my behalf.
I have searched the site but can't find any examples of this.
Is this standard - how can I be held liable for a contract I haven't even seen let alone signed.
Given this question and your previous one I suspect both the agency and the umbrella need to improve their communications with you.
Edit - I should add that while I can see how things have played out with you looking at how the marketplace is changing I doubt this issue would occur in the future...Last edited by eek; 3 August 2022, 13:22.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostWow, you are really struggling with the basics of this stuff aren't you. You sure you are cut out to be a disguised permie?
Think about the chain of responsibilities from your though to the client and the relationships between all of the entities and it should answer your question. Hint. You are employed by the umbrella. Since when did any employee ever sign a contract for a client on behalf of their employer?
P.S We have an umbrella section so maybe better using that now you are having umbrella issues?
My issue is not about signing - it is about rejecting.
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Wow, you are really struggling with the basics of this stuff aren't you. You sure you are cut out to be a disguised permie?
Think about the chain of responsibilities from your though to the client and the relationships between all of the entities and it should answer your question. Hint. You are employed by the umbrella. Since when did any employee ever sign a contract for a client on behalf of their employer?
P.S We have an umbrella section so maybe better using that now you are having umbrella issues?
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Umbrella signing contract on my behalf
Since taking my first inside gig and working through my current agent I have never received or signed a contract renewal - the agent informs me that the umbrella signs this on my behalf.
I have searched the site but can't find any examples of this.
Is this standard - how can I be held liable for a contract I haven't even seen let alone signed.
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