Dealing with an Awkward Permie

[northernladuk]

Well, for the record, I sent an email to the program manager after the permie sent me Skype messages in CAPITALS pointing the finger of blame my way yet again for something he broke. All incriminating evidence was also forwarded.

Feedback is that they're going to sit down and have a 1 to 1 with him to find out what's troubling him. Sounded pretty positive anyway.

Good stuff. I would have said might have tried a chat over coffee if he'd been acting out of character with you. I did a gig where I got proper shafted by a permie, constantly undermining me and just simply not doing what was needed to meet the plan. I couldn't understand why as he was a decent guy and very good at his job. Had a coffee with him advising him it also looks bad on him and I'm more than happy for him to take all the glory if it works as it doesn't affect me as long as I'm paid. Turns out the last contractor he worked with gave him decidedly average feedback for his performance review which meant him missed the cut for a pay rise. Explained the whole contractors shouldn't give feedback and so on, agreed that he would take the credit if it went well and it all went really well after that.

That kind of tactic only works if someone has an axe to grind and it can be sorted. Bolshie young upstart is usually a different kettle of fish.

Fingers crossed he learns a lesson from this and it doesn't actually make him worse.

[Big Blue Plymouth]

Well, for the record, I sent an email to the program manager after the permie sent me Skype messages in CAPITALS pointing the finger of blame my way yet again for something he broke. All incriminating evidence was also forwarded.

Feedback is that they're going to sit down and have a 1 to 1 with him to find out what's troubling him. Sounded pretty positive anyway.

[northernladuk]

You can keep pedalling the myths that you need to have a head full of grey hair to go contracting but that is simply not true.

Not sure I said anything like that and not sure what that has to do with this thread.

[cannon999]

Couple of points here for me. Firstly, new grads, even a couple of years in, being too big for their own boots isn't unusual to varying levels. Some people get a degree and suddenly think they are the best thing since sliced bread. This has been demonstrated on a few posts about new grads contracting a few years out of Uni on here. They always ******* fabulous at everything with less than 3 years working under their belt. Thankfully all but the truly deluded ones that can be mentored around. Elevated importance does appear to be a fairly common trait of grads though. Some of them are actually very good, just not all of them.
Unfortunately this attitude is probably one of the hardest to work with. I've worked with disgruntled employees pissed of at contractors for a reason and if you deal with that reason it can often work out fairly well. Self importance isn't easy to break. For those willing to listen and be mentored then there are some fairly basic techniques to win them around.

All that said, going back to this point..



It does exist to some extent I believe. You are a supplier, they are the client. It does hold a certain position power which, IMO, we have to be aware of. That doesn't mean you should get trodden in to the carpet but you are bottom of the pile compared to the permies. You step out of line and you are gone, not a problem for the permie so we do have to act slightly differently.

I don't think that's really the issue here though, looks like the kid is a dick and despite the two different issues facing you you've just got to admit in this instance he's out of order on both points so not much you can do.

Just have to see if you can action either of the issues (his attitude and the client/supplier situation) and if not just suffer it or walk.

You can keep pedalling the myths that you need to have a head full of grey hair to go contracting but that is simply not true.

[Hobosapien]

This is good practice. See it as a challenge. This won't be the last time you have to deal with this.

If you can get to the point where you don't get flustered when someone attacks you, you have achieved a new higher plane.

Yup. Break out the every time the numpty tries to get under your skin. I'm like a cheshire cat laughing off some of the bollox permies get up to, they mistakenly think I really give a damn.

I don't waste any effort playing their games, just be prepared to defend myself if it comes down to it in a matter of fact way that they can take or leave. One of the perks of contracting.

[BlasterBates]

This is good practice. See it as a challenge. This won't be the last time you have to deal with this.

If you can get to the point where you don't get flustered when someone attacks you, you have achieved a new higher plane.

[NotAllThere]

You and the other contractors take him out for dinner somewhere posh. Ply him with decent wine. Make sure he doesn't pay for anything.

Make sure that you flash cash as often as you can when he's around.

Park next to him in your Porsche.

Essentially rub his nose in that fact that he's on thruppence a day and you're all mega-millionaires, don't have to work and are independently wealthy.

Being gently patronising and obviously humouring him will further deflate him.

But never be nasty or unkind.

[kaiser78]

Couple of points here for me. Firstly, new grads, even a couple of years in, being too big for their own boots isn't unusual to varying levels. Some people get a degree and suddenly think they are the best thing since sliced bread...

This is especially noticeable amongst the Big 4. Cocky little s*ds the lot of them !

[GhostofTarbera]

PM’s job to sort him out not you in your code monkey role


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[Big Blue Plymouth]

Just have to see if you can action either of the issues (his attitude and the client/supplier situation) and if not just suffer it or walk.

Yes, 2 problems here. The most senior individual that I deal with is the program manager- he's a contractor too and is very unwilling to rock the boat.

Secondly, they have a kind group here that seems to exist solely for the purpose of enforcing the clientco's ethics and values. This guy is a leading light on that so I don't see this ending in my favour if I were to pursue it any further.

So, yeah. Suck it up or walk basically.

[uk contractor]

Keep billing think of the money as this is very common no point trying to fight it unless you want to work elsewhere!

[northernladuk]

Couple of points here for me. Firstly, new grads, even a couple of years in, being too big for their own boots isn't unusual to varying levels. Some people get a degree and suddenly think they are the best thing since sliced bread. This has been demonstrated on a few posts about new grads contracting a few years out of Uni on here. They always ******* fabulous at everything with less than 3 years working under their belt. Thankfully all but the truly deluded ones that can be mentored around. Elevated importance does appear to be a fairly common trait of grads though. Some of them are actually very good, just not all of them.
Unfortunately this attitude is probably one of the hardest to work with. I've worked with disgruntled employees pissed of at contractors for a reason and if you deal with that reason it can often work out fairly well. Self importance isn't easy to break. For those willing to listen and be mentored then there are some fairly basic techniques to win them around.

All that said, going back to this point..

On a serious note though, seniority just through being a permie isn't something I've really come across in all the time I've being doing this. Is it common

It does exist to some extent I believe. You are a supplier, they are the client. It does hold a certain position power which, IMO, we have to be aware of. That doesn't mean you should get trodden in to the carpet but you are bottom of the pile compared to the permies. You step out of line and you are gone, not a problem for the permie so we do have to act slightly differently.

I don't think that's really the issue here though, looks like the kid is a dick and despite the two different issues facing you you've just got to admit in this instance he's out of order on both points so not much you can do.

Just have to see if you can action either of the issues (his attitude and the client/supplier situation) and if not just suffer it or walk.

[Big Blue Plymouth]

So, in a team of 6 devs there is only 1 permie. He's a recently qualified (2 yrs) graduate and since joining I've been struggling to comprehend how he's got the chutzpah to throw his weight around like he does.

Well, just found out that in this clientco's view (a certain BS in Wiltshire) he is senior to us seasoned contractors just by dint of his being the only permie. And doesn't he like to let us know...

Worst thing is, he's completely useless and invariably wrong about everything but, unfortunately always points the finger of blame your way until you've taken enough time out to pin the fault back on him. And at this point, there's absolutely no contrition whatsoever.

Not quite sure I can suck this up for another 4 months without doing/saying something very unprofessional.

On a serious note though, seniority just through being a permie isn't something I've really come across in all the time I've being doing this. Is it common?