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[eek]

I don't understand this requirement for umbrella companies? Where is the legislation that demands them? Went can't you work through a limited company and declare yourself (or they declare you) inside IR35? I don't mind paying PAYE but I'm not paying for an umbrella company.

Because as I hinted above in the quote above most agencies are not set up to handle PAYE and won't have the software / ability to do withheld payments as no -one yet knows how they are supposed to work.

Hence they are insisting on using Umbrella's because its the only way they can see being able to do public sector payments in the short term from April onwards.

[cojak]

I don't understand this requirement for umbrella companies? Where is the legislation that demands them? Went can't you work through a limited company and declare yourself (or they declare you) inside IR35? I don't mind paying PAYE but I'm not paying for an umbrella company.

You do know about the changes to the Public Sector, don't you?? Pushing contractors into umbrellas has nothing to do with legislation (not directly, anyway...)

What's Changed.

The big change is that the person who is determining if your contract is or is not inside IR35 is no longer you the contractor but the Public sector department / agency you are working for. IR35 determinations have to be made within 31 days of the contract beginning otherwise the tax due becomes the responsibility of that department not other parties in the chain. This restricted time scale will mean that many departments have no choice but to decide on a blanket decision that everyone is inside IR35 when this begins April 2017.

Anyway, have a read of this post: http://forums.contractoruk.com/publi...ml#post2360158

Continue using your limited company

This may still be doable but in the same way that agencies don't want to put contractors on their payroll they are unlikely to actually want the hassle of withholding tax for them and paying it to HMRC.... As such going forward I suspect a lot of agencies will not support or allow the use of a limited company for public sector contracts inside IR35.

[northernladuk]

I don't understand this requirement for umbrella companies? Where is the legislation that demands them? Went can't you work through a limited company and declare yourself (or they declare you) inside IR35? I don't mind paying PAYE but I'm not paying for an umbrella company.

If you don't understand it have you researched it? You pay for an accountant don't you? Wouldn't need one of them under a brolly for a start.. Your insurances etc...

[pauldee]

I don't understand this requirement for umbrella companies? Where is the legislation that demands them? Went can't you work through a limited company and declare yourself (or they declare you) inside IR35? I don't mind paying PAYE but I'm not paying for an umbrella company.

[SlipTheJab]

True. But it is grand compared to £0/day

I would make sure there was a 1 week notice period in there and would keep looking while making a bit of beer money out of this one, also rocking in at 10am. 2 HR lunch and then bailing at 4 every day as well as helping myself to armfuls of office stationary, loading a desk and chair into my car, charging all my devices on site and stealing as many of those little sachets of sweetener I could lay my hands on from the canteen...would make that daily rate less of a p!ss take

[ruasonid]

All for the grand rate of £295/day.

True. But it is grand compared to £0/day

[ruasonid]

All for the grand rate of £295/day.

True. But it is grand compared to £0/day

[mall]

Our client are a large local government organisation and looking for an experienced Security Management Officer to join their team. This is initially a 3 month contract which may be extended for the right candidate.
Our client is looking for someone who can come on board and maintain the security and integrity of their infrastructure and systems including Microsoft/Wintel as well as Unix/AIX platforms.

Good to know they value the security of their infrastructure.

[SlipTheJab]

It's only a 3 month gig. Many of those aren't really a benefit for a gig that long. You are right of course, just saying like.

For someone living round the corner, trying to build up on experience in this area who's been benched awhile its not the worst option going

I wouldn't be complaining if it was 400+ notes a day, but less than 300 caught is slim pickings, especially if you need to travel far. But as you say if you're local and sat at home watching Cash in the Attic in your pants most days it may be worth a punt

[northernladuk]

Nice, with no holiday, sick pay, pension, training, health insurance, gym, car, office crimbo do... if you want a perm bite a bullet and hire a perm FFS or pay a decent contract rate

It's only a 3 month gig. Many of those aren't really a benefit for a gig that long. You are right of course, just saying like.

For someone living round the corner, trying to build up on experience in this area who's been benched awhile its not the worst option going

[SlipTheJab]

before tax and expenses.... Take home would be approx.. £900 a week so £40k after tax....

Nice, with no holiday, sick pay, pension, training, health insurance, gym, car, office crimbo do... if you want a perm bite a bullet and hire a perm FFS or pay a decent contract rate

[ChimpMaster]

before tax and expenses.... Take home would be approx.. £900 a week so £40k after tax....

It might be worth taking the role

...if they double the rate, pay expenses and pay the 30% (or whatever) extra tax due to umbrellas.

[eek]

All for the grand rate of £295/day.

before tax and expenses.... Take home would be approx.. £900 a week so £40k after tax....

[ChimpMaster]

All for the grand rate of £295/day.

[mall]

I read it somewhere maybe it was fake news