Reply to: Got the Chop, now what ?

[Kingkong]

You know an interview is a 2 way process, they just don't interview you, you need to interview them and clearly you didn't do a very good job of doing that....

To be honest the more you rabbit on, the less people will think of you... For whatever reason the contract has been terminated and there is nothing to be gained in complaining about it

1) you aren't going to get money beyond the days you worked there....
2) moaning on here will just result in posters here taking the mickey out of you...

Trust me its best just to give it up as a bad job and start looking for something else...

Agreed !

[Scruff]

Even in business, everyone should act like a human being.....

You've never worked in IB. Give it a miss...

[SueEllen]

I was hired with the intent that to "improve" there project structures, I had other contract offers, but this felt more appealing because the interviewer said they would give me the opportunity to build the required project structures etc because at the moment the company doesnt adhere to any best practices or project standards. However the disconnect and challenges came from the actual permie resources who were more BAU then project based.

The first thing you do in such a role is actually find out what practises they do have and what kind of people you are dealing with before you start bringing in changes. You may find by the end of your contract you have been able to convince them to do one change and that will be a big achievement.

The idiot at the interview didnt communicate clearly enough that the peoople I will be working with are at a level which is well below the norm.

Calling an interviewer an idiot when you are also at fault doesn't make you look good. Also while the interviewer knew the people didn't adhere to best practises how was the interviewer know how bad they were compared to the rest in their industry? Oh I forgot you said you didn't come from their industry.

There was no job description for the role and there was no structured approach to the project, the interviewer wasnt the PM, so maybe that could have been the issue since she didnt fully understand the requirements of the project.

And? That can be even better if you asked the right questions.

[eek]

I was hired with the intent that to "improve" there project structures, I had other contract offers, but this felt more appealing because the interviewer said they would give me the opportunity to build the required project structures etc because at the moment the company doesnt adhere to any best practices or project standards. However the disconnect and challenges came from the actual permie resources who were more BAU then project based. The idiot at the interview didnt communicate clearly enough that the peoople I will be working with are at a level which is well below the norm. There was no job description for the role and there was no structured approach to the project, the interviewer wasnt the PM, so maybe that could have been the issue since she didnt fully understand the requirements of the project.

You know an interview is a 2 way process, they just don't interview you, you need to interview them and clearly you didn't do a very good job of doing that....

To be honest the more you rabbit on, the less people will think of you... For whatever reason the contract has been terminated and there is nothing to be gained in complaining about it

1) you aren't going to get money beyond the days you worked there....
2) moaning on here will just result in posters here taking the mickey out of you...

Trust me its best just to give it up as a bad job and start looking for something else...

[Kingkong]

Bit harsh, but if he's not the right "tool" for the job, why keep paying for him?

That said, you've got to look at the interviewer and wonder what they were doing taking on someone so clearly not in tune with the corporate culture.

I was hired with the intent that to "improve" there project structures, I had other contract offers, but this felt more appealing because the interviewer said they would give me the opportunity to build the required project structures etc because at the moment the company doesnt adhere to any best practices or project standards. However the disconnect and challenges came from the actual permie resources who were more BAU then project based. The idiot at the interview didnt communicate clearly enough that the peoople I will be working with are at a level which is well below the norm. There was no job description for the role and there was no structured approach to the project, the interviewer wasnt the PM, so maybe that could have been the issue since she didnt fully understand the requirements of the project.

[stek]

Still doesn't mean everything has to be fair or unfair. Sometimes it's just plain black and white.

But that's racist....

[northernladuk]

Even in business, everyone should act like a human being.....

Still doesn't mean everything has to be fair or unfair. Sometimes it's just plain black and white.

[psychocandy]

Why does PC insist in everything having to be fair? It's business and it's in the contract
Why does fair always have to come in to it. Sounds more like a disgruntled employee than a contractor.

Even in business, everyone should act like a human being.....

[johndc31]

Hi

Coming from a strong IT investment banking background, I took a IT contract with a Local Insurance company for 6 monhs as a System Analyst.

Produced like 5 Business Analysis and System Analysis documentatons, like your Requirements document, Data Dictionary, Database Schemas etc. which the development team have been fine with all within 3 weeks.

After 3 weeks, the company has told the agency, they understand my work, but during meetings and stakeholder disscussions the business peeps seem to get very confused in what I am saying. So that is the reasoon they are lettting me go. Plus the team fit isnt right for me and me being from a Banking background the environment isnt right me allegedly more Waterfall than Agile in my approach. So I have been kicked out without my notice period.

Does anyone know if I am able to claim extra months worth of money for the loss ? it was a 6 months contract if I can take them via the Small Business Courts ?

I been contracting for a long time but never had such a short contract ever !

Do I have the leverage to negoitate with the Agency ? the client said I should discuss with the agency about being paid for my week notice and if more etc

Whats my play ? would really appreciate some insight, feel very dissapointed.

I genuinely misread Banking background with Bangkok background.

[LondonManc]

Clearly either his face didn't fit or his bedside manner didn't. Its irrelevant though as he has been given no work to do and as the clientco has no obligation to give him any that's the end of the contract regardless of what other clauses state...

The rest of it is just character / personality assassination...

My take on it entirely.

We don't know the truth of what's happened - we have one version of it - but you've summed up the contractual side nicely.

Have to suck it up and take it.

[northernladuk]

He does have a point; Client took the guy on and he's shown them up a bit. We clearly don't know the delivery and bedside manner involved so it's all a bit moot really.

As MM alludes to, he says he has. Too many little things niggling me in what he puts to be sure but either way a good contractor doesn't go in and show his client up. He delivers what the client wants with a bit of value add. If every contractor just came in did what he does without considering his client/situation then every bod that's worked in private sector wouldn't last 2 mins in the Public Sector roles. Also some clients/industries have a JFDI approach, some are very slow and process based. You can't come in throwing your weight around just because it worked at the last client.

He came is, his face didn't fit, he get's let go. It's part of the game. Nothing to do with fair and unfair (most of the time).

And coming from PC as well. He thinks it's fair to use what's in his contract against the client yet when a client does the same it's unfair. Disgruntled employee stuff that.

[eek]

True to an extent but my point was that if his bedside manner isn't up to scratch then he could be shown the door for it.

Clearly either his face didn't fit or his bedside manner didn't. Its irrelevant though as he has been given no work to do and as the clientco has no obligation to give him any that's the end of the contract regardless of what other clauses state...

The rest of it is just character / personality assassination...

[LondonManc]

FTFY

True to an extent but my point was that if his bedside manner isn't up to scratch then he could be shown the door for it.

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

He does have a point; Client took the guy on and he says he has shown them up a bit. However, he has trouble stringing simple sentences, in English, together, so who knows what to believe.

[Hobosapien]

True, this highlights one of the downsides of contracting.

Contracting should continue to offer a higher financial reward than permanent employment for a similar skills set/role. It's the price the client should pay for the flexible workforce that allows them to not have to pay notice periods or sick leave or holidays, or have permies sat around as a fixed cost between projects.

The government may see their meddling as making it 'fairer' regarding tax but their blinkered view makes contracting less attractive and pointless for many that just want to get paid for using their skills set and aren't that bothered about the upsides of contracting.