Reply to: State of the Market

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Presumably the type of firms that use Workday are rather large and have instigated blanket bans on outside IR35 engagements.

Yes - exactly this.

[TheDude]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

Presumably the type of firms that use Workday are rather large and have instigated blanket bans on outside IR35 engagements.

[eek]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

You are probably party to a different issue - multinationals remember what happened with the IRS back in the 1980-2005 and corporate memories are very long when the costs and pain are massive.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

[eek]

Things in project management seem to have gone awry.

I mean the majority of them are now comfortably inside gigs with those that are outside paying criminally low rates.

You’ll get the odd role that’s outside but the majority are now inside which is the safe play. I myself have had to hang the LTD up for now...not even sure if it’ll be used again if things keep going this way.

It's very hard to pretend a project management contract is outside when you have employees doing the exact same job.

Developers always have the "we need a very specific skill" get out clause that doesn't exist for things that companies do do on a day to day basis.

[Dhrucku]

Things in project management seem to have gone awry.

I mean the majority of them are now comfortably inside gigs with those that are outside paying criminally low rates.

You’ll get the odd role that’s outside but the majority are now inside which is the safe play. I myself have had to hang the LTD up for now...not even sure if it’ll be used again if things keep going this way.

[ladymuck]

To get this thread inside the 'contracting' section of the forum back on track.

State of the contract Market: Good.

I'd agree.

I had a month off between gigs because I took a holiday and refused to look for the next one until I got back. Got two offers very quickly.

[Bluenose]

To get this thread inside the 'contracting' section of the forum back on track.

State of the contract Market: Good.

[TheDude]

I remember when this was a board for contractors.

I wouldn’t take a 100k job unless it was a six-monther, and I’m not even mediocre.

The post I replied to mentioned employers.

[hugebrain]

Assuming you are referring to a technology skills shortage...

There may be no shortage of mediocre Java/C# developers but there are plenty of firms willing to pay well over £100k for top developers.

Most developers are mediocre.

I remember when this was a board for contractors.

I wouldn’t take a 100k job unless it was a six-monther, and I’m not even mediocre.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

What makes you think I would dirty my hands with SQL?

[TheDude]

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What makes you think I would dirty my hands with SQL?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

quantity != quality.

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[TheDude]

I have worked with 10x developers.

I would not personally use the Rock Star metaphor to describe them.

They are more like these guys, coding machines that never get tired.

quantity != quality.

[Fraidycat]

Ah. I see you fell victim to 10xDeveloper hypebole from the last decade.

I have worked with 10x developers.

I would not personally use the Rock Star metaphor to describe them.

They are more like these guys, coding machines that never get tired.