Reply to: State of the Market

[Snooky]

I am a card carrying member of the Labour Party

Out of interest, what are the benefits of carrying your card rather than leaving it at home in a drawer? Do you get discounts at certain establishments?

[northernladuk]

Any other policies the Government requires guidance on?

Most people, with a sensible head on their shoulders, aren't too worried by immigration per se provided there are sound reasons for doing so and within set boundaries. Say, educated grafters who at least attempt to 'fit in'. It's just the fact, over the last 20 years, the best part of 10 million people turned up with limited Government planning/understanding of how this would work out. Hence telephone number house prices and very strained public services.

I don't think that's true at all. You can't say they aren't worried with a proviso that just isn't working. Anyone with a hole in their bum should be very worried with what we've got in place currently, even considering todays announcement.

[The_Equalizer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67612106

Any other policies the Government requires guidance on?

Most people, with a sensible head on their shoulders, aren't too worried by immigration per se provided there are sound reasons for doing so and within set boundaries. Say, educated grafters who at least attempt to 'fit in'. It's just the fact, over the last 20 years, the best part of 10 million people turned up with limited Government planning/understanding of how this would work out. Hence telephone number house prices and very strained public services.

[SussexSeagull]

Think it’s actually set to be £35,000.

what it should be is at a suitable premium to the Uk market rate (minimum 25% above) to encourage the training of UK workers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67612106

[jamesbrown]

I stand corrected.

Tbh, there are so many of them that are similarly named, I'm not sure many voters will be paying attention.

[jamesbrown]

Think it’s actually set to be £35,000.

what it should be is at a suitable premium to the Uk market rate (minimum 25% above) to encourage the training of UK workers

Depends which leaked report you trust. Guardian saying £38k.

( Agree, btw, should be relatively higher, except for "genuinely" shortage occupations. Many occupations are "shortage" merely because the pay is crap, and the pay is crap because... )

[SussexSeagull]

I assume you mean Reform. Reclaim is a Laurence Fox, conspiracy theorist sideshow.

I stand corrected.

[eek]

In other news - someone who knows the recruitment market is saying that Contract work is doing way better than permanent recruitment

Coincidentally, the new threshold to be announced by the panicked Tories in Cleverley's statement to the HoC later today.

Think it’s actually set to be £35,000.

what it should be is at a suitable premium to the Uk market rate (minimum 25% above) to encourage the training of UK workers

[jamesbrown]

vote for Reclaim

I assume you mean Reform. Reclaim is a Laurence Fox, conspiracy theorist sideshow.

[jamesbrown]

The other key factor being anyone earning less that £38K-ish/year is here at net cost to the UK.

Coincidentally, the new threshold to be announced by the panicked Tories in Cleverley's statement to the HoC later today.

[SussexSeagull]

The other key factor being anyone earning less that £38K-ish/year is here at net cost to the UK. Their tax base doesn't cover what, on average, is spent. Put simply, the UK is importing people at a cost to tax payers for the benefit of business alone. I sometimes wonder if the there's any kind of basic understanding of numbers by whoever comes up with these quotas. About six months ago I didn't believe Labour was a nailed on certainty, but with the latest net immigration figures I suspect Starmer could be caught round the back end of a sheep and still romp home.

As I have said I am a card carrying member of the Labour Party who sees the benefit of managed immigration and campaigned for Remain but a lot of people who voted to leave the EU did so (possibly amongst other) to reduce immigration.

They might not rush out and vote Labour but they might very well stay at home or even vote for Reclaim, which might cost the Conservatives a marginal or two.

[PCTNN]

Had a look at the permie world and got feedback from the interview today.

Basically didn't like the fact I was a contractor lol. It was pretty obvious from my CV I was a contractor so why bother to interview me

I had an interview for a permie role last week. It was a technical interview, with the second stage being (if I have passed the first one) a "cultural fit" interview with the head of department. The HR guy already told me that I'd be grilled on me being a contractor and why do I want to go back to permanent employment. They're extremely cautious I won't fob them over. Which I think is fair.

So yeah not every company bins contractors' cv automatically. Good luck if you truly genuinely want to go back to permieland.

[The_Equalizer]

Being an immigrant of Highly skill visa (HSMP, when min salary requirements were £45k+), I find its ridicules that current govt reduces salaries to below national avg

I mean look at chemical scientist working in nuclear industry!!

Chemical scientists – only jobs in the nuclear industry

Scotland only

80% of going rate: £22,800 (£11.69 per hour)

The other key factor being anyone earning less that £38K-ish/year is here at net cost to the UK. Their tax base doesn't cover what, on average, is spent. Put simply, the UK is importing people at a cost to tax payers for the benefit of business alone. I sometimes wonder if the there's any kind of basic understanding of numbers by whoever comes up with these quotas. About six months ago I didn't believe Labour was a nailed on certainty, but with the latest net immigration figures I suspect Starmer could be caught round the back end of a sheep and still romp home.

[siddhantkumar]

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ge-occupations

Think this sums up how poor we have become, and we are handing out visas like candy at 80% of those salaries. Special shout out to those which are actually below national minimum wage ahaha/

Being an immigrant of Highly skill visa (HSMP, when min salary requirements were £45k+), I find its ridicules that current govt reduces salaries to below national avg

I mean look at chemical scientist working in nuclear industry!!

Chemical scientists – only jobs in the nuclear industry

Scotland only

80% of going rate: £22,800 (£11.69 per hour)

[dsc]

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Basically didn't like the fact I was a contractor lol. It was pretty obvious from my CV I was a contractor so why bother to interview me
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Probably interviewed you just in case any other permies interviewed were tulip and they had no one to fill the void. Sounds like they had at least one other candidate who ticked all the boxes or they just went with someone internal (like they normally do).