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Previously on "State of the Market"

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by herman_g View Post
    I'm living in Greece doing a WFH contract for a Dutch bank. Best time of my life with highest productivity and a team of people I consider great friends. The team was given a choice of coming to the office twice a month or meeting for beers as frequently. They opted for twice a month in the office (they have beers on one of those days from 4:00) but I'm exempt. I've gone 3 times, however, and been one of three people from my team. They end up leaving sometime between noon and 3:00 and I'm left in an empty room. The one guy (a real character) lives across the street and refuses to come to the office. It was really nice of him, however, to come for about an hour just to meet me.
    In poor times, people used to do a gig in Switzerland, these days you don't need to go to Switzerland when the market is tulip, you can go whether you want in the EU (that has teleworker visa) and work from there.

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  • cojak
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    Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post

    As a developer i find its more about concentration. Personally i never found busy open plan offices very conducive to concentrating for long periods of time.

    Do BAs/PMs/Architects have to focus and concentrate as hard as developers do? I dont think so.

    In solitude at home i can easily do the amount of work that took 30 hours in the office but in 15 hours at home. Then its entirely up to me what i want to do with the other 15 hours. Do I push my self harder or pace myself. It normally depends on how much the client is paying..
    I found that as a BA, ear-wigging on conversations were more productive than structured interviews in the first few weeks of a contract, it was part of my toolbox.

    Being a nosy git is a pre-requisite as a BA, WFH makes that part of the job much harder.

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  • hungry_hog
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    Met an agent today (not looking but good to have the contacts), says FS is picking up slightly as Banks have been a bit cautious on project spending despite some good performance.
    Expecting an uplift post election / summer.

    In my current team (30) 3 arrived externally since Christmas (including me) so there is a bit of movement, but if you don't tick 90% of boxes you are dead in the water.

    I always see Lloyds/insurance roles which always want Lloyds/insurance experience. Which is very niche.

    The Bank which rhymes with "Bitty" is always hiring, draw your own conclusions from that!

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  • gables
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    Originally posted by Fraidycat View Post

    As a developer i find its more about concentration. Personally i never found busy open plan offices very conducive to concentrating for long periods of time.

    Do BAs/PMs/Architects have to focus and concentrate as hard as developers do? I dont think so.

    In solitude at home i can easily do the amount of work that took 30 hours in the office but in 15 hours at home. Then its entirely up to me what i want to do with the other 15 hours. Do I push my self harder or pace myself. It normally depends on how much the client is paying..
    Read somewhere years ago that open plan offices are pretty rubbish for productivity even though they were adopted to aid communication\collaboration and maybe you can see why, because when I started work in 1989 the office looked like this. I was hoping the pendulum would swing back to between this and what we have now.

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    As to Architects not concentrating as hard as a developer, I wouldn't know; but I do know I need to concentrate hard and wfh allows me to do that.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by dsc View Post

    I've pretty much always found industry specific experience to be essential, even for roles that couldn't be filled due to lack of candidates (or took long to fill). It's just something really hard to get over and seems to be pushed by higher ups.
    I can move sector but that's because my expertise in the technical skillset makes up for the lack of industry specific skills - there is bound to be at least 1 pain point I can find and talk through how I've been there and fixed it.

    Although the fact the industry has specialist agencies probably helps - here are 2 with the industry knowledge and a real expert - pick the one you want..

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  • SchumiStars
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    Probably be 2025 when the market comes back. This year is looking like a washout completly.

    This is bad and I hate it.

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by eek View Post

    Because it started off as advantageous but the agent now has sufficient candidates with such experience so advantageous has been upgraded to essential in his selection criteria....

    In a sellers market they will take the risk on someone without the experience but in this market they can pick from fully qualified candidates..
    Yeah, I know that, I just wanted to have a rant.

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  • dsc
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    Sure, being closed in your home office with no in-person social interactions for 35-40 hours a week I'm sure works wonders for your mental health.

    100% WFH I've noticed seems to be much preferred by some particular types of workers, read developers. Which have always been kinda socially awkward and overall weird AF so I get that. BAs, PMs and similar are less socially awkward so all they want is face to face interactions.
    Works for some (mental health wise), autistic spectrum, adhd, people with other "social" issues probably find it a relief. So again, it all depends.

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  • dsc
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    Originally posted by eek View Post

    Because it started off as advantageous but the agent now has sufficient candidates with such experience so advantageous has been upgraded to essential in his selection criteria....

    In a sellers market they will take the risk on someone without the experience but in this market they can pick from fully qualified candidates..
    I've pretty much always found industry specific experience to be essential, even for roles that couldn't be filled due to lack of candidates (or took long to fill). It's just something really hard to get over and seems to be pushed by higher ups.

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  • Fraidycat
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    100% WFH I've noticed seems to be much preferred by some particular types of workers, read developers. Which have always been kinda socially awkward and overall weird AF so I get that. BAs, PMs and similar are less socially awkward so all they want is face to face interactions.
    As a developer i find its more about concentration. Personally i never found busy open plan offices very conducive to concentrating for long periods of time.

    Do BAs/PMs/Architects have to focus and concentrate as hard as developers do? I dont think so.

    In solitude at home i can easily do the amount of work that took 30 hours in the office but in 15 hours at home. Then its entirely up to me what i want to do with the other 15 hours. Do I push my self harder or pace myself. It normally depends on how much the client is paying..
    Last edited by Fraidycat; Yesterday, 11:24.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post

    Scrap that. It would seem this:

    Experience within Financial Services or Asset Management (advantageous).

    Means FS experience is essential, not a nice to have. Why use "advantageous" if they mean "essential"?
    Because it started off as advantageous but the agent now has sufficient candidates with such experience so advantageous has been upgraded to essential in his selection criteria....

    In a sellers market they will take the risk on someone without the experience but in this market they can pick from fully qualified candidates..

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  • ladymuck
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
    I've seen a couple of gigs in the past few days are worth going for but whether the agents call me back is another matter entirely. I'm deciding to see that as a positive move.
    Scrap that. It would seem this:

    Experience within Financial Services or Asset Management (advantageous).

    Means FS experience is essential, not a nice to have. Why use "advantageous" if they mean "essential"?

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  • sadkingbilly
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    Originally posted by PCTNN View Post

    Sure, being closed in your home office with no in-person social interactions for 35-40 hours a week I'm sure works wonders for your mental health.

    100% WFH I've noticed seems to be much preferred by some particular types of workers, read developers. Which have always been kinda socially awkward and overall weird AF so I get that. BAs, PMs and other unnecessary middle management types are less socially awkward so all they want is face to face interactions to justify their existence and delay any real work being done.
    ftfy

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  • ladymuck
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    I've seen a couple of gigs in the past few days are worth going for but whether the agents call me back is another matter entirely. I'm deciding to see that as a positive move.

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  • PCTNN
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    Originally posted by avonleigh View Post
    Think it's much better for mental health too.
    Sure, being closed in your home office with no in-person social interactions for 35-40 hours a week I'm sure works wonders for your mental health.

    100% WFH I've noticed seems to be much preferred by some particular types of workers, read developers. Which have always been kinda socially awkward and overall weird AF so I get that. BAs, PMs and similar are less socially awkward so all they want is face to face interactions.

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