Reply to: Put fwd at £x, now at face-to-face stage, want £x+50

[fidot]

It's just not realistic to quote a binding price before the interview. We've all been to interviews where the details don't match what was in the "spec" the agency provided (whosever fault that was). Quoting a range before the interview and doing the rate negotiation immediately after the client says yes has always worked well for me.

[LondonManc]

The agent will pull you if you start ******* them around, especially if he's got an exclusive arrangement. He'll just tell client co that you've withdrawn your interest.

[jmo21]

Because the agent gives 3 flying tulipes about your "business case" and will cave immediately...

Boo

Eh?

seems clear to me.

Boo is saying the agent won't give 2 tulips about whatever business case the OP might make to get an extra £50 a day.

[SlipTheJab]

Because the agent gives 3 flying tulipes about your "business case" and will cave immediately...

Boo

Eh?

[Boo]

For £50 a day extra I wouldn't really make a fuss but if you do want to then I suggest you develop a business case:

Because the agent gives 3 flying tulipes about your "business case" and will cave immediately...

Boo

[WTFH]

If you've offered x, and you want x+50 or 100 that's equivalent to pulling out.

Or, it's the equivalent of being greedy and deciding that if they want you they'll pay more than you said you'd accept. i.e. gazumping.


"Oh so you'll pay £25,000 for my car? In that case it's £30,000"


No. if that's your attitude, you'll not get many gigs.

[gables]

A valid reason to negotiate might be that the interview exposed that the client required more than the job spec mentioned. I think you have a better chance of negotiating based on what the client has mentioned during the interview rather than the "market rate" argument.

I'm with this, which is why I try to negotiate a rate range with agent prior to interview and then agree it after once I have all the facts about the role. However, if I'd agreed a specific rate up front, it's either that or walk.

[BlasterBates]

If you've offered x, and you want x+50 or 100 that's equivalent to pulling out. As others have said if you do that they'll prefer any candidate that is on or below that rate.

I would put yourself forward for the other roles and if the market is bouyant, you'll have an offer or at least have been for interviews by the end of next week.

[LondonManc]

If you're happy to be put forward at £x, man up and accept that £x is what you'll be getting for that contract.

[northernladuk]

For £50 a day extra I wouldn't really make a fuss but if you do want to then I suggest you develop a business case:

- My expertise in project x saved y days and ensured it was delivered early / on time
- I fixed this system and saved you ££
- I developed report A in 3 days but the offshore Bob's took 3 weeks to deliver similar report

That's probably not going to work as the client will have a rate card and expects the above out of a contract as standard. I'd guess in this situation it's the agents cut he needs to eat in to and the agent doesn't give a monkies about any of that.

[silverlight1]

For £50 a day extra I wouldn't really make a fuss but if you do want to then I suggest you develop a business case:

- My expertise in project x saved y days and ensured it was delivered early / on time
- I fixed this system and saved you ££
- I developed report A in 3 days but the offshore Bob's took 3 weeks to deliver similar report

[tarbera]

Turn your nose up at this rate, each week you spend looking for a new £50 higher one will cost you 50 days to make up to the rate you want - don't sell out man

[SlipTheJab]

Your culinary equipment is overpriced!

, maybe he's got one of those fancy Tom Daley 5 section frying pans!

[WTFH]

I see gigs advertised from 275 to 600 for my skillet...

Your culinary equipment is overpriced!

[Unix]

Also who says what market rate is nowadays? I see gigs advertised from 275 to 600 for my skillet and location doesn't seem to make much difference. I've taken a gig at nearly 75 quid a day less than the previous one because it was where I wanted and good experience. Turned out to be one of the nicest gigs I've been on and well worth the rate drop. Not everything is about the money.

This ^
My rate has went up and down like Andyw's mum's knickers but I try to fit with what the client can afford. If it's a small place or public sector I am more sympathetic as long as the agent isn't at it. I actually enjoy going and making the client's IT systems better as long as I get above a minimum Im happy.