Reply to: Extension and notice period

[wantacontract]

In my experience (which isn't much) most agents will say they need you to start today, whereas in reality it can take anything ~2 weeks to paperwork sorted.

I wouldn't tell them you have a 4 week notice as they won't put you forward for the role. Once you've secured a role the start has some flex.

VC

in most cases I agree, just tell them you have two weeks notice and then work around it....

2 weeks is pretty standard, and then you add on a bit of time for contract review etc.....and agreeing a start date...

[MrMarkyMark]

but it could flag up (hushed tones) "disguised employment".

Oh no...!!!!

[Antman]

So I should keep accepting extension offers regardless of any other considerations? When is the "end of a gig"? My contract says the end is 21st December 2015..

On another point, it doesn't seem clear that you have clear deliverables, just a contract end date. I don't know anything about your working practices but it could flag up (hushed tones) "disguised employment".

[SueEllen]

In my experience (which isn't much) most agents will say they need you to start today, whereas in reality it can take anything ~2 weeks to paperwork sorted.

I wouldn't tell them you have a 4 week notice as they won't put you forward for the role. Once you've secured a role the start has some flex.

VC

Not in all cases.

There are cases they want you there immediately after you have interviewed but you have to delay them due to the messy contract the agency gives you.

Even if you need clearance or background checks they can be done very quickly, if you have the right people involved and most importantly you have had them done before.

[VillageContractor]

In my experience (which isn't much) most agents will say they need you to start today, whereas in reality it can take anything ~2 weeks to paperwork sorted.

I wouldn't tell them you have a 4 week notice as they won't put you forward for the role. Once you've secured a role the start has some flex.

VC

[WTFH]

Your contract ends 21st December 2015.

...good point, that means the "huge obstacle" of 4 weeks is currently under 3 weeks. If he doesn't renew, it will go down to zero!

[TheFaQQer]

So I should keep accepting extension offers regardless of any other considerations? When is the "end of a gig"? My contract says the end is 21st December 2015. Are you saying that the end is whenever a client decides they no longer want you? Seems a bit of a passive and lame approach to managing ones career.

Your contract ends 21st December 2015. If you want to leave, you leave at the end of the contract. If you don't want to leave, you accept the extension.

At the end of the extension, if you want to leave then you leave. If you don't want to leave and there is an extension on offer, you accept the extension. If you don't want to leave and there is no extension then tough.

You are in business. You have the choice of what contracts you accept or reject. Exercise your choice.

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

Seems a bit of a passive and lame approach to use a bunch of strangers, on an internet forum, to help manage ones career.

[northernladuk]

So I should keep accepting extension offers regardless of any other considerations? When is the "end of a gig"? My contract says the end is 21st December 2015. Are you saying that the end is whenever a client decides they no longer want you? Seems a bit of a passive and lame approach to managing ones career.

No, you should accept the extension if you are willing to see the gig through, if you are not then don't accept it. Dumping clients to suit yourself is also a bit of a lame approach to your career as well. I'm very black and white about this so guess there is a halfway house somewhere but I've been invited back to two gigs in the past, one I took up and one I wasn't available for. Hopefully I'll get more of this as time goes on by building up a good reputation. Contracting can be a very surprisingly small world and having a mercenary attitude is very short termist. Stuff does come around from time to time.

Learn to read before piping up. I said that I'm inclined to accept the extension and "I've read some people saying that the notice periods aren't enforceable... but if I agree to something I wouldn't really want to just walk out and put people in a difficult position." I've not at any point said that I'd just walk out.

Fair enough, just a general response to anyone thinking just walking is right. My apologies.

[WTFH]

Why is 4 weeks a "huge obstacle" to you?

[LondonManc]

Learn to read before piping up. I said that I'm inclined to accept the extension and "I've read some people saying that the notice periods aren't enforceable... but if I agree to something I wouldn't really want to just walk out and put people in a difficult position." I've not at any point said that I'd just walk out.

Assuming you want to work there again, have a think about your exit strategy, reason for leaving. As much as there's a general opinion of it's business to business, screw em, I'm off from certain people on here, good businesses built relationships and get repeat business. I've contracted for the same manager for two different clients and at the same client twice. In both situations, the exits were handled well.

Unfortunately the notice period thing is very one-sided in terms of future business - you walk out and you're not coming back but they'd happily tell you work has dried up but re-engage you 12 months later. As unfair as that seems, there's nothing you can do; you can only bill for what you've worked and depending on opt out status, what you've got signed timesheets for.

[MB1983]

You stay till the end of your gig. You don't use your notice as an excuse to dump your clients. Fair enough you don't like being anywhere too long... but two weeks extra is too long? Really?

So I should keep accepting extension offers regardless of any other considerations? When is the "end of a gig"? My contract says the end is 21st December 2015. Are you saying that the end is whenever a client decides they no longer want you? Seems a bit of a passive and lame approach to managing ones career.

Just walking out of a gig? Lets hope what goes around comes around hey.

Learn to read before piping up. I said that I'm inclined to accept the extension and "I've read some people saying that the notice periods aren't enforceable... but if I agree to something I wouldn't really want to just walk out and put people in a difficult position." I've not at any point said that I'd just walk out.

[LondonManc]

NLUK is right in terms of how the client would think, but I appreciate your concern about the shorter term. That said, you could simply ask about the reason for the shorter term to help manage your own expectations of any subsequent extension.

If you want to move on, regard yourself as next available on whatever date this extension ends.

[northernladuk]

I've been contracting directly with a company since February 2015. They've given me a number of 3-4 month extensions since then. A 4-week notice period has been in place since I started.

They've now offered me an extension which is just over 2 months in length (to start in Jan). I informally asked my 'manager' about possibly reducing the notice period to 2 weeks as the length of the extension is less than usual. He said he'd see this as a continuation of the previous arrangement and feels the notice period should stay the same.

He is correct. It is an extension to the existing contract so all T&C's will stay the same. A change in notice is a new contract. Why on earth would he give you less notice giving which will only increase the risk you leave him in the lurch with no benefit to the client at all?? I certainly wouldn't.

I don't like working in the same place for too long, so I've been looking at moving on but have found the 4-week notice period to be a huge obstacle to that. I've fallen into a situation where I feel that I will keep being offered extensions and that the notice period will prevent me ever moving on. I'm inclined to accept this extension just so that I'm in work in Jan/Feb and then if I'm offered another extension I'll refuse it unless the notice period can be reduced.

What would you do here? Is a 4 week notice period acceptable? I've read some people saying that the notice periods aren't enforceable... but if I agree to something I wouldn't really want to just walk out and put people in a difficult position.

You stay till the end of your gig. You don't use your notice as an excuse to dump your clients. Fair enough you don't like being anywhere too long... but two weeks extra is too long? Really?

You are a professional contractor and should be seeing the contracts through to completion. Two to three weeks before the end you start looking for work to dovetail with what you are doing, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and you spend a bit of time on the bench using your warchest so no sweats. Dumping clients and pulling notice just so you can dovetail contracts is a very poor attitude IMO. Pulling notice one in awhile for that dream gig then maybe but having the mercenary attitude that notice exists just for you to move clients isn't professional.. Yes people will say it's legal, it's in the paperwork but it's a poor attitude to your work.

Just walking out of a gig? Lets hope what goes around comes around hey.

[TheFaQQer]

I've fallen into a situation where I feel that I will keep being offered extensions and that the notice period will prevent me ever moving on.

Turn down the extension, simple.