Reply to: Fake Network Engineer ? :)

[quackhandle]

Real Staffing, another pimp to swerve big time.

qh

[tdhgeek007]

At least it's not a fake job this time..... I think?

Job Advert
Job Description : Director of Mental Health Services An excellent Opportunity has arisen with my NHS client based in the South East of England. For a period of 6 months my client will require an experienced interim Director of Mental health to lead the service in qual...
Advertiser : Real Staffing
Location : East of England
Salary : £550 - £700 per day + Negotiable

Job Advert

Wonder what the role of "Job Advert" involves? Anyone any ideas? Oh.... hang on a minute... the job description is there! Phew!

[Yonmons]

I think every experienced contractor is aware of this practice. (always denied by agents of course) We all have our own "agencies" marked in our mind as bad. I am blacked balled by a branch of an agency in Leicester after I had a spat with one of its agents after he had been backed up against a wall by me and admitted they did it to "Harvest CV`s or in his "words" See Whats out there ! Thats after he had kept me waiting for 4 weeks on the bench in anticipation of a role coming up in my area as they had NO CONTRACTORS at all in my area and were desperate for them. I later found out he had given the same script to 3 other contractors in "my area" and when I named them he was dumstruck.
The Common theme running through this practice is that Agents/Agencies think "contractors" are stupid, they dont think that long term experienced Contractors have contacts amongst other contractors and get to know what work is about or up and coming. I find it particularly entertaining when one it "outed" in an act of stupidity as in the "fake" ad.

[Andy Hallett]

As I understand jobs get syndicated by aggregation sites which take feeds from our brand sites and other job boards, this one could be making us blush for quite a while.

In the UK we have over 600 recruitment consultants, unfortunately I can't put my name to every job and validate every advert (I haven't got as much time on my hands as contractors do ). I can however put my name to the culture of service we are seeking to create, posting false jobs is not needed, not acceptable and will not be tolerated.

[tdhgeek007]

Yep, may seem sad.
As NLUK suggested, there are plenty at it.
Unfortunately been going on for years, is usually particularly bad during a slowdown / recession.
As recruitment is one of the most unregulated industries out there, I don't expect this to stop soon.

Yeah Mark, I fully realise that, and I know it's been going on for donkeys years. Not new practice at all.

[tdhgeek007]

Yeah, but I think they're both from the same place? Xpat jobs?
Which looks like it's just another job board/site?

Could just be the 'remnants' somehow of what was advertised originally by CF?

[MrMarkyMark]

Although there might be others with more experience of this, it really is very sad, when you have to try and gauge whether a job is real or not

Looks like they aren't the only ones guilty of this,,,

Yep, may seem sad.
As NLUK suggested, there are plenty at it.
Unfortunately been going on for years, is usually particularly bad during a slowdown / recession.
As recruitment is one of the most unregulated industries out there, I don't expect this to stop soon.

[northernladuk]

Looks like they aren't the only ones guilty of this,,,

Fake Jobs | Simply Hired

Fake Network Engineer

None

I am looking for a VoIP Engineer for a 6 month contract in Derby Key Duties; Respond remotely to resolve critical system failures in line with SLA's Working directly with Clients ...


5 days ago from Xpat Jobs


Fake GM Of HSE Job To Advertise

Perth , Perth And Kinross

GM of HSE Fantastic career prospects Perth $250K $300K Bonuses Manage major projects Mining as well as Oil and Gas Perth Based My client, a leading construction ...

30+ days ago from Xpat Jobs


Account Manager (Fake)

Alpha Financial - London , Greater London

Technical Consultant-Financial Systems -ASAP-London -60k Our client has arrangements in place with a number of top financial institutions to provide financial support ...


30+ days ago from Alpha Financial Jobs

The listing for this site from Google is rather amusing as well...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Fa...rk+Engineer%22

Fake Jobs | Simply Hired

Fake Jobs | Simply Hired

Fake Network Engineer. None. I am looking for a VoIP Engineer for a 6 month contract in Derby Key Duties; Respond remotely to resolve critical system failures ...

[tdhgeek007]

Sorry to bump this one temporarily back up the list Andy , but I just HAD to:

Fake Network Engineer - IT Contracts United Kingdom - Mobile Contractor

The 'job' has been 'filled', but not quite.....

Although there might be others with more experience of this, it really is very sad, when you have to try and gauge whether a job is real or not

I'm actually starting to wonder whether to go the same direction as another poster on here, and just delete all CF, Progressive etc 'jobs' I come across now?

[LondonManc]

Had a good long think about this over the weekend. Let it slide down the page or explain what we are doing about it? As a regular poster I thought it would be dis-ingenuous to hide away from it.

Recruitment agencies play a necessary part in the brokering of contractors to contract roles. The vast majority of end customers do not have the bandwidth or desire to trade with individuals. For now anyway the symbiotic circle continues, but disruptive innovations may change this medium to long term. The challenge for recruitment companies is how to move away from 'necessary evil' to 'valued resource', if we don't make that leap we risk going the same way as Bookshops and Black Cabs when Amazon and Uber effectively re-platformed the marketplace.

Over the last year we've recognised this, and have embarked on a massive programme to align ourselves to the needs of customers. The very first step was to benchmark where we are. We've done that my implementing a NPS (Net Promoter Score) system, conducted numerous surveys and also engaged a consultancy to host focus groups to see what clients and contractors think of us. As you can imagine it made pretty grim reading in parts, so we know we have a problem. Irrelevant mailshotting, not calling after an unsuccessful interview and being transactional were common themes. The good news for us is that as an industry the bar is pretty low, so there is a real opportunity for us to differentiate ourselves by improving some basics across our teams. We have the commitment from the very top to change this, and we will.

One of the posts above posed the question, "how do you know what is going on?". Well that is simple, we create the culture where we reward customer excellence. The NPS score can be driven down from Brand > Office > Team > Consultant > Activity, in essence we do more of what delights and less of what pisses people off.

Having flagged this thread, I said today at our UK&I Board that I wouldn't continue to post these messages unless all my fellow Directors were fully behind getting the very best Systems, Processes and Culture into our UK business. I have unanimous support for that, and as such felt supported to post.

Conscience detected..... career crossroads looming......

[Andy Hallett]

Had a good long think about this over the weekend. Let it slide down the page or explain what we are doing about it? As a regular poster I thought it would be dis-ingenuous to hide away from it.

Recruitment agencies play a necessary part in the brokering of contractors to contract roles. The vast majority of end customers do not have the bandwidth or desire to trade with individuals. For now anyway the symbiotic circle continues, but disruptive innovations may change this medium to long term. The challenge for recruitment companies is how to move away from 'necessary evil' to 'valued resource', if we don't make that leap we risk going the same way as Bookshops and Black Cabs when Amazon and Uber effectively re-platformed the marketplace.

Over the last year we've recognised this, and have embarked on a massive programme to align ourselves to the needs of customers. The very first step was to benchmark where we are. We've done that my implementing a NPS (Net Promoter Score) system, conducted numerous surveys and also engaged a consultancy to host focus groups to see what clients and contractors think of us. As you can imagine it made pretty grim reading in parts, so we know we have a problem. Irrelevant mailshotting, not calling after an unsuccessful interview and being transactional were common themes. The good news for us is that as an industry the bar is pretty low, so there is a real opportunity for us to differentiate ourselves by improving some basics across our teams. We have the commitment from the very top to change this, and we will.

One of the posts above posed the question, "how do you know what is going on?". Well that is simple, we create the culture where we reward customer excellence. The NPS score can be driven down from Brand > Office > Team > Consultant > Activity, in essence we do more of what delights and less of what pisses people off.

Having flagged this thread, I said today at our UK&I Board that I wouldn't continue to post these messages unless all my fellow Directors were fully behind getting the very best Systems, Processes and Culture into our UK business. I have unanimous support for that, and as such felt supported to post.

[SlipTheJab]

And the merry go round continues. I'm sorry to say that I clicked on the next page to post something along the lines of "One of their directors will be along soon to explain it all away, but Computer Futures are up there with the biggest time wasting, bulltulipting, lying agencies that there are"

And I absolutely stand by that - the Birmingham office in particular have subjected me to some of the most random conversations I've ever had, send the crappiest pretend personal e-mails and lie through their bloody teeth. They are only one of two agencies that I outright avoid - as in, completely and utterly. They could phone me tomorrow with my dream role and I'd not even apply, because what's the bloody point!

Given that you're here, I don't doubt for a minute you mean everything you say - but Computer Futures have a bad reputation and it's for very good reason.

+1 I have had exactly the same experiences with CF, along with Progressive they are an agency I won't waste my time with even if it was as you say my 'dream(fake) job'.

[vwdan]

Stand by what I said, on the face of it it doesn't look great. I don't know all the facts and I trust my colleagues will investigate and deal with it appropriately.

The companies I represent in the UK should operate at the very highest professional level. If we ever fall short please post here or simply PM me (I'll do you the courtesy of not sharing it).

And the merry go round continues. I'm sorry to say that I clicked on the next page to post something along the lines of "One of their directors will be along soon to explain it all away, but Computer Futures are up there with the biggest time wasting, bulltulipting, lying agencies that there are"

And I absolutely stand by that - the Birmingham office in particular have subjected me to some of the most random conversations I've ever had, send the crappiest pretend personal e-mails and lie through their bloody teeth. They are only one of two agencies that I outright avoid - as in, completely and utterly. They could phone me tomorrow with my dream role and I'd not even apply, because what's the bloody point!

Given that you're here, I don't doubt for a minute you mean everything you say - but Computer Futures have a bad reputation and it's for very good reason.

[cojak]

Well, since Andy has been a long term poster here (and I don't see any of the other big recruitment agencies bothering their barnies to come here), I think that reminding everyone of the rules regarding pasting PMs is due.

And I will also point out that I haven't seen any requests for this thread to be locked or removed.

[tdhgeek007]

How would you have dealt had this 'fake' job (for now assume it is), was incorrectly titled "Network Engineer". It would have gone unnoticed.

I think I know what raphal is trying to say here, and if what I'm thinking is true, then it does raise the rather amusing point of just how many other jobs have there been/are there out there in the past and currently, that are also fake, but going un-noticed?
(and we all know about this practice)