Reply to: Employer Intermediary Reporting - Anyone digging their heels in?

[DaveB]

And when other gov agencies start sharing data amongst themselves properly it's going to get very interesting for a lot of people! ��

I know a couple of people with buy to let's who don't declare them because HMRC don't know. When HMRC start comparing Land registry details they will.

Thats a fair way off at the moment. Current client co. have been trying for years to get other departments and agencies to share data with them, in the end they had to get HMG to pass specific legislation to force them to do, and even now it's only for one specific purpose.

Dont under estimate just how much the big departments resent sharing anything with any of the others.

It should be a no-brainer. It really isnt.

[pr1]

And when other gov agencies start sharing data amongst themselves properly it's going to get very interesting for a lot of people! 😉

I know a couple of people with buy to let's who don't declare them because HMRC don't know. When HMRC start comparing Land registry details they will.

this should be a bigger deal than all this T&S/IR35 stuff - tax evasion is actually illegal after all

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

And when other gov agencies start sharing data amongst themselves properly it's going to get very interesting for a lot of people! ��

I know a couple of people with buy to let's who don't declare them because HMRC don't know. When HMRC start comparing Land registry details they will.

Be afraid. Be very afraid (this smiley has no relevance to the comment, I just haven't used it before )

[SueEllen]

Haven't you just hit the N on the H? I think you're all getting confused by my stance on this - and why do you think I don't understand it northernladuk? - and I'm a little surprised by this as a new member of Contractor UK. Generally, the feeling I've found elsewhere is that most Contractors are up in arms about this.

What bit of information do I think a tax man might not be able to find in 2 mins? None, of course. HMR&C have all the info on me they need. If they want to see if my house is in order and send a brown envelope they could do that now or in any of the last 25+ years I've been contracting.

Unfortunately HMRC's systems aren't as joined up as you think which is why they ask for repeat information on people.

Similarly, the agency have all the information on me they need to do whatever it is they need to do as intermediaries.

But what this reporting ruling means is that I have to give to the agency information they don't know or need so they can send it on to HMR&C.

The agency themselves would rather not collect this data for loads of reasons, however because HMRC say they have to they do so.

Principally here, my DOB. This may not be an issue for a lot of you here but believe me at the senior end of the job market, not having your age on things can be the difference between getting a contract and not. Currently, my agent knows nothing about me, my age or what I look like and I'd prefer to leave it this way.

Agents only find your age out either:
1. You do any form of credit clearance/security clearance
2. You complete other paperwork
This only happens AFTER you get the contract.

If you look too old then after the interview the client will tell the agent and you will know nothing about it unless they say so.

In short your reasoning is silly.

[northernladuk]

This is an example of HMRC doing joined up thinking - they may be able to access all the information that's required but what they haven't had up until now is all of it in one place. Thanks to this information and RTI they will now know who's paying what to whom and whether the correct taxes have been deducted.

And when other gov agencies start sharing data amongst themselves properly it's going to get very interesting for a lot of people! 😉

I know a couple of people with buy to let's who don't declare them because HMRC don't know. When HMRC start comparing Land registry details they will.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Haven't you just hit the N on the H? I think you're all getting confused by my stance on this - and why do you think I don't understand it northernladuk? - and I'm a little surprised by this as a new member of Contractor UK. Generally, the feeling I've found elsewhere is that most Contractors are up in arms about this.

What bit of information do I think a tax man might not be able to find in 2 mins? None, of course. HMR&C have all the info on me they need. If they want to see if my house is in order and send a brown envelope they could do that now or in any of the last 25+ years I've been contracting.

Similarly, the agency have all the information on me they need to do whatever it is they need to do as intermediaries.

But what this reporting ruling means is that I have to give to the agency information they don't know or need so they can send it on to HMR&C.

Principally here, my DOB. This may not be an issue for a lot of you here but believe me at the senior end of the job market, not having your age on things can be the difference between getting a contract and not. Currently, my agent knows nothing about me, my age or what I look like and I'd prefer to leave it this way.

This is an example of HMRC doing joined up thinking - they may be able to access all the information that's required but what they haven't had up until now is all of it in one place. Thanks to this information and RTI they will now know who's paying what to whom and whether the correct taxes have been deducted.

[NotAllThere]

This is standard tulip from Boo...

Noted and warning issued.

[jamesbrown]

You mentioned this in another thread. What on god's earth makes you think I'm an agent for crying out loud. The fact you even consider this makes you look a complete pillock.

And you call me a troll... The irony is killing me.

This is standard tulip from Boo. The majority of Boo's posts in the professional forums are accusing contractors of being agents S/he doesn't mind coming here for advice though...

[northernladuk]

Spoken like a true agent.

Boo

You mentioned this in another thread. What on god's earth makes you think I'm an agent for crying out loud. The fact you even consider this makes you look a complete pillock.

And you call me a troll... The irony is killing me.

[Boo]

Read this.

How intermediary reporting requirements hit limited company contractors :: Contractor UK

The problem is you are trying to throw your weight around when you don't understand what's going on. Remember your contract is with the agency. You have no arrangement with the client so they don't matter. You are effectively pissing off the people that hold all the cards.

Just do it and move on.

Spoken like a true agent.

Boo

[cojak]

Oh for heaven's sake... Read this http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...uirements.html

It tells you what HMRC wants to know.

[northernladuk]

Just a thought, what did you say when the agency wanted a copy of your passport at the beginning of the gig???

[northernladuk]

Haven't you just hit the N on the H? I think you're all getting confused by my stance on this and I'm a little surprised by this as a new member of Contractor UK. Generally, the feeling I've found elsewhere is that most Contractors are up in arms about this.

You are the only person complaining and there are plenty of experienced contractors telling you to do it. Why post if you won't take the advice that 100% of responses have told you to do?

What bit of information do I think a tax man might not be able to find in 2 mins? None, of course. HMR&C have all the info on me they need. If they want to see if my house is in order and send a brown envelope they could do that now or in any of the last 25+ years I've been contracting.

HMRC are haphazard at best and just imagine the outcry if they used out of date or incorrect info. What's the best option, just ask you again. Nice and simple. Not the most efficient but it's not hard.

Similarly, the agency have all the information on me they need to do whatever it is they need to do as intermediaries.

You can't assume this for lots of reasons. Just supply it again.

But what this reporting ruling means is that I have to give to the agency information they don't know or need so they can send it on to HMR&C.

They do need it to fulfill their new obligations.

Principally here, my DOB. This may not be an issue for a lot of you here but believe me at the senior end of the job market, not having your age on things can be the difference between getting a contract and not. Currently, my agent knows nothing about me, my age or what I look like and I'd prefer to leave it this way.

Your date off birth is already public. You give agency your limited company name, they check companies house and they can find you are a director along with your year of birth. If you have registered your ltd at home they can see you home address as well.

You have the link of what the agency needs, make sure what they ask for is what's on that list and no more. If you are worried get the agent to send details of their data protection policy and then stop being a moron and give them it. This is getting tedious now.

[DaveB]

Principally here, my DOB. This may not be an issue for a lot of you here but believe me at the senior end of the job market, not having your age on things can be the difference between getting a contract and not. Currently, my agent knows nothing about me, my age or what I look like and I'd prefer to leave it this way.

DoB is only required if you dont have a National Insurance Number.

[Peej]

Odd responses

Of course they could just report the info they do have and politely inform the taxman that you refused to supply the missing data.

Keep an eye out for the brown envelope and make sure your house is in order.

Which bits of the missing info do you think it would take an interested tax man more then 2 mins to pull together?

Haven't you just hit the N on the H? I think you're all getting confused by my stance on this - and why do you think I don't understand it northernladuk? - and I'm a little surprised by this as a new member of Contractor UK. Generally, the feeling I've found elsewhere is that most Contractors are up in arms about this.

What bit of information do I think a tax man might not be able to find in 2 mins? None, of course. HMR&C have all the info on me they need. If they want to see if my house is in order and send a brown envelope they could do that now or in any of the last 25+ years I've been contracting.

Similarly, the agency have all the information on me they need to do whatever it is they need to do as intermediaries.

But what this reporting ruling means is that I have to give to the agency information they don't know or need so they can send it on to HMR&C.

Principally here, my DOB. This may not be an issue for a lot of you here but believe me at the senior end of the job market, not having your age on things can be the difference between getting a contract and not. Currently, my agent knows nothing about me, my age or what I look like and I'd prefer to leave it this way.