Reply to: Brexit is utopian

[vetran]

A bit like voting for your Eurovision entry?

UK Nil point?

[Mordac]

No House of Lords peers are appointed mainly based on the amount they donate to a political party and the Head of state in the UK inherits the role, how democratic is that?
Now as for EU they are indirectly elected by EU citizen who vote for the EU parliaments and their national governments who then in their turn vote for the top EU officials. The European parliament also checks the officials and holds them responsible and national parliaments have the option to veto as well in many cases. So much more democratic then the House of Lords.

You ought to be a fan of the Lords, they did their best to overturn Brexit but ultimately couldn't because the Commons has legislative superiority. The Blair years tarnished the Lords, nowadays most donors seem to get knighthoods rather than peerages, but I take your point.
I'm not sure I share your view about EU voting, those who become the various Presidents all come from political parties which the UK voters don't have the chance to vote for (or against) and I'm not sure there was ever a way of solving that, possibly because we never adapted our politics to the European way of doing things.
Regardless of all those things, the route map of Europe leads to some form of Federalism, we won't know which form until it arrives, but it's the destination and I could never live with that. If you think the UK had a veto over anything, I hate to break it to you but we didn't. We had a discretionary opt-out regarding joining the Euro, and that was about it. Best of luck to the Danes, who still have a Euro opt-out, and my best guess is they won't have that for long. Go and check out what the next German Chancellor wants for Europe and if you're happy with all of that, fine, but if you're not, ask yourself will you ever have the opportunity to oppose it at the ballot-box?

[ladymuck]

Every country's government nominates its own Commissioner. Nothing to stop a country from holding an election for their Commissioner.

A bit like voting for your Eurovision entry?

[BlasterBates]

Is there any reason the EU doesn't want the people to vote and elect its officials directly? I mean, surely for something held as so democratic would it no be possible for every EU citizen that can vote to directly cast a vote? Instead there is this indirect democracy there?

BTW our house of lords is far worse and needs to replaced by a fully elected 2nd house.

Every country's government nominates its own Commissioner. Nothing to stop a country from holding an election for their Commissioner.

[_V_]

Is there any reason the EU doesn't want the people to vote and elect its officials directly? I mean, surely for something held as so democratic would it no be possible for every EU citizen that can vote to directly cast a vote? Instead there is this indirect democracy there?

BTW our house of lords is far worse and needs to replaced by a fully elected 2nd house.

[NotAllThere]

You mean "Its all down to Europe" for every situation despite the evidence?

FTFY

[Eirikur]

Which bit of your brain believes any of them are elected? The word you're looking for is 'appointed'.

No House of Lords peers are appointed mainly based on the amount they donate to a political party and the Head of state in the UK inherits the role, how democratic is that?
Now as for EU they are indirectly elected by EU citizen who vote for the EU parliaments and their national governments who then in their turn vote for the top EU officials. The European parliament also checks the officials and holds them responsible and national parliaments have the option to veto as well in many cases. So much more democratic then the House of Lords.

[vetran]

Nigel Farage called from 2016 and wants his "argument" back. But please, do go on repeating the same old twaddle.

You mean "Its all down to Brexit" for every situation despite the evidence?
If you want to kick the habit we will try to support you!

[NotAllThere]

Which bit of your brain believes any of them are elected? The word you're looking for is 'appointed'.

Nigel Farage called from 2016 and wants his "argument" back. But please, do go on repeating the same old twaddle.

[vetran]

Which bit of your brain believes any of them are elected? The word you're looking for is 'anointed'.

FTFY

[Mordac]

Still the same old nonsense about unelected bureaucrats. Well done!

Which bit of your brain believes any of them are elected? The word you're looking for is 'appointed'.

[lorakeen]

The USSR argument is a bit old school, given that the Russians now have something resembling a vote for their leader, which is more than the EU leaders ever have to face. North Korea is allowed as a comparison, as it's a rigged vote, and possibly Afghanistan, as their elections will presumably be similarly rigged.

ummm, we had a vote for our leader back home under Communism as well- only we only had one choice to vote for :P

[NotAllThere]

...which is more than the EU leaders ..

Still the same old nonsense about unelected bureaucrats. Well done!

[Mordac]

the person who I was discussing this with has communism/USSR as a parallel.

The USSR argument is a bit old school, given that the Russians now have something resembling a vote for their leader, which is more than the EU leaders ever have to face. North Korea is allowed as a comparison, as it's a rigged vote, and possibly Afghanistan, as their elections will presumably be similarly rigged.

[vetran]

the person who I was discussing this with has communism/USSR as a parallel to the EU.

FTFY

Macaroon will be first to the Dacha.

Our post brexit problems are firms complaining there is no more slave labour!