Reply to: oh no currency has dropped again

[vetran]

I worked in Little Chef for a while, do I get a cookie too?

Yep just don't eat the burgers they are disgusting. People wouldn't eat them if they knew how badly they were treated.

[ladymuck]

I worked in Little Chef for a while, do I get a cookie too?

[vetran]

I've been working in Finance departments in some of the biggest companies in the UK, across multiple sectors, for nearly 30 years, and I've never known the finance teams to work 9-5. Sorry mate, but you're talking bollox as usual.

Unless you care to name some of these companies that you only see finance teams working 9-5 to prove me wrong.

It happens in departments that know what they are doing. I worked for some of the biggest companies in the world.

[Whorty]

oh odd the accountants I worked with running multi billion pound companies only worked 9-5 but they knew what they were doing.

The book keepers worked long hours until they got the acquired companies books under control. Usually took them a few weeks.

I've been working in Finance departments in some of the biggest companies in the UK, across multiple sectors, for nearly 30 years, and I've never known the finance teams to work 9-5. Sorry mate, but you're talking bollox as usual.

Unless you care to name some of these companies that you only see finance teams working 9-5 to prove me wrong.

[dsc]

Fecking pingdemic innit:

https://twitter.com/donnyc1975/statu...373422085?s=19

Brexit gammons coming home to roost although of course this is EUs fault, or actually no fault at all cause who needs food anyway when you have "freedom".

[vetran]

If you think accountants only work 9-5 then you have no idea at all my friend. Most Finance departments I've worked in, a 'normal' working day is 10 hours. Once you're in month end/qtr end / year end then you can add extra to that including all nighters. And zero overtime pay.

My current 'normal' day is logged on by 7/7:30 and log off about 6 in the evening and take no more than 30 mins at lunch. WFH so I save travel time. I also take calls and attend meetings on my non-work days as required, all for no extra pay.

oh odd the accountants I worked with running multi billion pound companies only worked 9-5 but they knew what they were doing.

The book keepers worked long hours until they got the acquired companies books under control. Usually took them a few weeks.

[Whorty]

damn you constantly get the wrong end of the stick what do they call you at work tullipy hands?

You think the best chefs in the UK who work evenings and weekends should earn the same as the average accountant who works 9-5?

Chefs as a rule earn 2/3 of the average wage.

https://uk.indeed.com/career/chef/salaries

£10.34 an hour almost £20k. I'm not cherry picking

https://uk.indeed.com/career/line-co...es?from=top_sb

chef de partie £22k.


Can't take that much of a pay cut, anyway imagine being an accountant

If you think accountants only work 9-5 then you have no idea at all my friend. Most Finance departments I've worked in, a 'normal' working day is 10 hours. Once you're in month end/qtr end / year end then you can add extra to that including all nighters. And zero overtime pay.

My current 'normal' day is logged on by 7/7:30 and log off about 6 in the evening and take no more than 30 mins at lunch. WFH so I save travel time. I also take calls and attend meetings on my non-work days as required, all for no extra pay.

[vetran]

You are funny ... so you don't think chefs should work lunchtimes, evenings and weekends?

As for teh Chef de Partie, the average salary seems to be £27-£28k ... but yeah, you pick up on the one role that is offering less

As for accountants salaries, you jealous? Maybe get yourself qualified eh?

damn you constantly get the wrong end of the stick what do they call you at work tullipy hands?

You think the best chefs in the UK who work evenings and weekends should earn the same as the average accountant who works 9-5?

Chefs as a rule earn 2/3 of the average wage.

https://uk.indeed.com/career/chef/salaries

£10.34 an hour almost £20k. I'm not cherry picking

https://uk.indeed.com/career/line-co...es?from=top_sb

chef de partie £22k.


Can't take that much of a pay cut, anyway imagine being an accountant

[Whorty]

Oh you are a lot thick!

Head chefs are the best paid in the kitchen, basically the manager of the culinary and waiting staff. They are frequently the reason the restaurant has Michelin stars. Restaurants in that category are the equivalent of the big consultancies - top of the pile wage wise for the senior bods.

I assume as Google's head coder you would be happy on £60k working lunchtimes, evenings & weekends and ~ 80 hours a week no overtime?

The people they say they can't get are people like the Chef de Partie (Does most of the technical stuff the head chef does but not the managerial) on a massive £22k from your link.

Interesting the average wage for an accountant is £62K. You only need to know how to cook the books.

You are funny ... so you don't think chefs should work lunchtimes, evenings and weekends?

As for teh Chef de Partie, the average salary seems to be £27-£28k ... but yeah, you pick up on the one role that is offering less

As for accountants salaries, you jealous? Maybe get yourself qualified eh?

[vetran]

Genuine question ... you keep saying that top restaurants only pay their staff minimum wage. Do you have any evidence of this, or is it just something you heard from a bloke down your local?

A quick search found this job site and based on this I'd say you are talking absolute bollox ... but happy if you want to prove me wrong and back up your constant claims. Or do those working in Burger King, flipping burgers, also earn £60k per year?

https://www.caterer.com/jobs/michelin

Oh you are a lot thick!


Head chefs are the best paid in the kitchen, basically the manager of the culinary and waiting staff. They are frequently the reason the restaurant has Michelin stars. Restaurants in that category are the equivalent of the big consultancies - top of the pile wage wise for the senior bods.

I assume as Google's head coder you would be happy on £60k working lunchtimes, evenings & weekends and ~ 80 hours a week no overtime?

The people they say they can't get are people like the Chef de Partie (Does most of the technical stuff the head chef does but not the managerial) on a massive £22k from your link.

Mcdonalds pay £21k ~ £27k for a shift manager.

The Average wage of a head chef in the uk is wait for it .... £10.34 per hour. / £29k

https://uk.indeed.com/career/chef/salaries

https://www.caterer.com/salary-check...d%20industries.

or if you really want to turbo charge your career if you think £60K a year is a lot try this
https://www.caterer.com/jobs?salary=5&salarytypeid=5

I think you can manage collecting glasses and they pay a whole £5 an hour so its a pay rise.

Interesting the average wage for an accountant is £62K. You only need to know how to cook the books.

[Whorty]

Strange that La Gavaroche can't afford staff at £178 per cover. Maybe paying over minimum wage would upset their extremely tight margins?

Genuine question ... you keep saying that top restaurants only pay their staff minimum wage. Do you have any evidence of this, or is it just something you heard from a bloke down your local?

A quick search found this job site and based on this I'd say you are talking absolute bollox ... but happy if you want to prove me wrong and back up your constant claims. Or do those working in Burger King, flipping burgers, also earn £60k per year?

https://www.caterer.com/jobs/michelin

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9778331/Britain-isnt-working.html

As previously said, there is another narative brewing in the background and they are just throwing some trails to get the stupids and naives to bite into it.
It is the same game on and on, not quite sure how people do not see it. It's probably that alpha beta mentality, some people are just made to be leaders and some are pushed around until they accept to be followers.

'If you qualify for furlough with one company, you will not qualify if you change employment.

'The Government desperately, urgently needs to do something about furlough and switch the money that's being paid from furlough to subsidise job creation, rather than continue to subsidise jobs that may no longer exist.'

So there is a call to action. Make the furlough less peasant for both sides. I expected furlough to be 50% paid by employer by now.



Strange that La Gavaroche can't afford staff at £178 per cover. Maybe paying over minimum wage would upset their extremely tight margins?

Maybe they can make it up on the drinks?

https://www.le-gavroche.co.uk/menu-exceptionnel

Many staff would effectively intern at a Michelin starred restaurant for nothing just to get it on their resume.

Burger King , Subway, Greggs, Costa & KFC all seemed fully staffed at the services I stopped in on the trip to pick MissV1 up from uni.

Maybe they should pay less?

[GigiBronz]

The government have acknowledged there is a problem, they provided a short term solution and made more testing available - this is what the government should do or do you believe they should subsidise large enterprises with cheap labour? All the hauliers have to do is stop begging for slave labour, raise the pay that they slowly dropped to employ so many cheap EU drivers and sponsor training. That is hardly nationalism its rationalism.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9778331/Britain-isnt-working.html

Britain isn't working: 'Perfect storm' of the pandemic, furlough and Brexit has left hundreds of thousands of vacancies unfilled - and could spark food shortages, inflation and a stalled recovery

As previously said, there is another narative brewing in the background and they are just throwing some trails to get the stupids and naives to bite into it.
It is the same game on and on, not quite sure how people do not see it. It's probably that alpha beta mentality, some people are just made to be leaders and some are pushed around until they accept to be followers.

[GigiBronz]

A short term relaxation of hours is a proportionate response. Existing drivers should see their wages improve. Resisting the impulse to open the floodgates is a good move.

Best way to improve Employer / Employee relationship is to have near full employment and limit immigration to high cost workers. Employers will be forced to improve their staff kills. No salary on the job advert will mean I just ignore it, or if the job or employer is interesting a 10 minute call laughing at the agent when the wages are insulting is optional.

Not everyone has your knowledge of the market. The unskilled approach to work is fist in mouth type of approach. You like it you take it as it is and you allow us to bully you. You don't like it? We don't care, everyone is doing the same.
And if you have 10 pimps that tell you that 65k is your salary, you are more likely to be inclined to think the same when they might have actually not had any open positions and just trolling you in the interest of the market and usual backoffice exercises.

Immigrants are probably not the solution for now, maybe transparency, training people and starting a conversation about some of the things that bother them.

[vetran]

I don't personally think that the fact the shortage is in the news means they are actually interested in the shortage. There might be another agenda in the background - the first that I can think of is putting a trail of evidence so they can push people off furlough and UC shortly and have backing from the rest of the people.

If the gov would have cared more about workers rights and pay they could have done more to streamline the employee-employer interaction during recruiting. It leaves too much negotiating power to employer/agents and relies on confusion and manipulation to get workers to do what they want.
I think I would like to see the gov impose legislation to have salary ranges on job adverts, I think I would like to see a unique reference number with every job post that you can track and see some application statistics. How long has it been there. Is it a real advert or only a made up one to confuse and waste someone time.
Friction is as well an intended mechanism to frustrate people and make them less likely to switch jobs.
I am not even getting into ir35 and umbrella shambles.

So, I dot think the news has anything to do with their intention. Gov could have done better to help the employee case but it never does. They have the knowledge, advisors etc trust me there is no incompetence there, they only allow one side to have more power in this relationship.



I think you disproportionately taking the side of your country. The measure above with extending work hours is a botched approach. They shouldn't do anything about it, let market correct and put more information out there so people can fight for themselves.

None of my grandparents are alive. I think my parents would agree as well that I would be better off somewhere else.
My father was high rank military officer but never heard of him pushing me that way.
It's a free world, you go where you are treated better, if it doesn't work out you move on.

A short term relaxation of hours is a proportionate response. Existing drivers should see their wages improve. Resisting the impulse to open the floodgates is a good move.

Best way to improve Employer / Employee relationship is to have near full employment and limit immigration to high cost workers. Employers will be forced to improve their staff kills. No salary on the job advert will mean I just ignore it, or if the job or employer is interesting a 10 minute call laughing at the agent when the wages are insulting is optional.