Reply to: Meanwhile......in the EU....

[shaunbhoy]

Our death rate seems to be far higher than the EU. And this is because the UK insists upon classifying ANY death that occurs within 28 days of a positive COVID test as being a COVID death. Other countries tend to separate them out a bit more clinically, hence the lower tallys

ftfy

[Whorty]

And the EU has 449395* deaths, your point is?



*Source

UK has a population 67m

EU has a population of 448m

Your comparison is disingenuous at best

Our death rate is far higher than the EU. And this is despite, as Brexidiots would have us believe, that most of the EU nations are borderline 3rd world countries.

Next ....

[vetran]

Kind of leaves bitter taste with all that - pandemic will end but EU will still be there for a thousand years.

FTFY

[AtW]

Still fair dos they've done it cleverly by building it into the contract instead of using export controls. I think the UK government has done an excellent job of hogging vaccines whilst shifting the blame of vaccine nationalism onto the EU, respect!

Kind of leaves bitter taste with all that - pandemic will end but EU will still be there for centuries.

[BlasterBates]

I was being specific to this pandemic. It would be daft for the EU to control all vaccine purchasing and distribution in normal times. Both answers are right, I'd say. It depends on whether you're talking pandemic purchasing or day to day.

Countries even when they're in the programme can still do their own deals. The only proviso is that vaccines ordered via the programme are not delayed.

Thanks to deep pockets, Germany snaps up extra coronavirus jabs – POLITICO

Germany, a country of 83 million people, said it's getting 94 million doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine, 64 million from the EU and 30 million from a separate bilateral deal. On top of that, Berlin will buy doses that other countries don't buy, securing 50 million of 160 million Moderna doses — far more than its pro-rata allocation.

This makes sense as it means countries without vaccine manufacturing can start their vaccination programmes. Whereas EU countries are exporting to countries without any local manufacturing, the UK is keeping all the vaccines for themselves. Still fair dos they've done it cleverly by building it into the contract instead of using export controls. I think the UK government has done an excellent job of hogging vaccines whilst shifting the blame of vaccine nationalism onto the EU, respect!

[SimonMac]

Meanwhile......in the EU....

And we've just passed another major milestone...

100,000 deaths

And the EU has 449395* deaths, your point is?



*Source

[ladymuck]

Oh yes they can but they need to exit the EU programme and then they would have wait even longer and spend even more money.

There's nothing in EU law about how governments purchase vaccines.

The UK's contracts were concluded when the UK was under EU law. Other countries could have done the same.

I was being specific to this pandemic. It would be daft for the EU to control all vaccine purchasing and distribution in normal times. Both answers are right, I'd say. It depends on whether you're talking pandemic purchasing or day to day.

[BlasterBates]

Their.

EU countries cannot negotiate separate vaccine deals - EU chief | Reuters

Oh yes they can but they need to exit the EU programme and then they would have wait even longer and spend even more money.

There's nothing in EU law about how governments purchase vaccines.

The UK's contracts were concluded when the UK was under EU law. Other countries could have done the same.

[ladymuck]

No they are not, every EU country is free to set there own approvals, strategies and procurement rules on medicines and vaccinations

Their.

EU countries cannot negotiate separate vaccine deals - EU chief | Reuters

EU countries are not allowed to negotiate separate vaccine deals with pharmaceutical companies in parallel to the efforts of the European Union as a whole, the president of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen said on Friday.

“The only framework we are negotiating in is as 27. We do this together and no member state on this legal binding basis is allowed to negotiate in parallel or to have a contract in parallel,” von der Leyen told reporters in Brussels.

[Whorty]

Whatever gets you through the night.

I prefer facts.

And yet you still voted out

At least with Spuddy we know he can't understand facts, so he will believe any old tulip

[darmstadt]

I don't know where you read (or dreamt) that, but it wasn't in the news. The EU has taken over on this one, as the squealing from countries like Ireland (among others) will testify. One day, you'll learn to follow orders, and you'd better get used to it.

Which is why some countries have sourced vaccines from elsewhere...

[Mordac]

No they are not, every EU country is free to set there own approvals, strategies and procurement rules on medicines and vaccinations

I don't know where you read (or dreamt) that, but it wasn't in the news. The EU has taken over on this one, as the squealing from countries like Ireland (among others) will testify. One day, you'll learn to follow orders, and you'd better get used to it.

[Eirikur]

No, they don't. Germany is breaking EU rules.

No they are not, every EU country is free to set there own approvals, strategies and procurement rules on medicines and vaccinations

[Paddy]

Brixiters prefer comforting lies rather than uncomfortable truths.

[AtW]

vetran prefers alternative facts