Reply to: Why do Remainers think being in the EU is a "good thing"

[JohntheBike]

This. I don't know about the "million times better" but I do believe we'll be economically worse off leaving.

"we'll be economically worse off leaving"

apart from the fact that is only an opinion and only time will tell, many people voted to leave based on other issues, and most obviously on immigration and the potential for restrictions on their lifestyle. So economics didn't figure in their choice.

[BrilloPad]

So by your reasoning, the UK needs to leave every international organisation that it is a member of and follows their rules such as the WTO, FIFA, UN, etc...

Please let us leave FIFA. Anything to reduce football on tellie....

[darmstadt]

1. Highest court will be UK court of law, not EU court of law. A country that doesn't decide it's own laws is basically a vassal state.

So by your reasoning, the UK needs to leave every international organisation that it is a member of and follows their rules such as the WTO, FIFA, UN, etc...

[vetran]

By that logic, uneducated unskilled cretins living in Swindon won't get freedom of movement within the UK.

feck me you would be stuck in your village!

[Old Greg]

1. Highest court will be UK court of law, not EU court of law. A country that doesn't decide it's own laws is basically a vassal state.
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How much does Britain really pay into the EU budget? | The UK and Europe | Debates | E!Sharp



£280mln per week (after rebates) is a colossal waste of money.

3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references). We do this for non-EU people it is only fair we apply the same rules to everybody.

By that logic, uneducated unskilled cretins living in Swindon won't get freedom of movement within the UK.

[vetran]

That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.

Who is going to stay in the Thistle hotel?

[BR14]

That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.

who's 'we' basel? eh?

[Mordac]

That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.

Well it brought us Scooty, so you may have a point...

[NotAllThere]

3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references).

That's right. We must immediately close the border to Scotland. The Union has brought nothing trouble.

[original PM]

Let's put aside the totally simplistic interpretation of 'democracy'. Let's ask the question "Is it more democratic to follow the will of the people three years ago rather than the will of the people today?"


Brexiteers just keep grimly hanging on to a perverted moment in time. It's long gone and we've moved on.

I mean the same could be said of any decision.

Maybe we should have another GE with just 2 choices a leave party and a remain party.

Winner takes all..

It's like a second referendum with a different name.

[emoji849]

[DimPrawn]

I can give you one valid reason people voted leave. People hated David Cameron/inequality in the UK and are sick of it.

Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....

There was definitely an element of people wanting to shake up the status quo, force big political changes and hope for a more equal society...

[BrilloPad]

Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.

I can give you one valid reason people voted leave. People hated David Cameron/inequality in the UK and are sick of it.

Sadly voting leave will make things worse. Hey ho....

[DimPrawn]

Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.

Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU".

1. Highest court will be UK court of law, not EU court of law. A country that doesn't decide it's own laws is basically a vassal state.
2.

How much does Britain really pay into the EU budget? | The UK and Europe | Debates | E!Sharp

Similarly, the often heard claim that the UK sends ‘£350 million per week to the EU’ is based on the same incorrect measure of budget contributions. The amount that the Treasury remits to Brussels, and thus the direct cost to UK taxpayers, always has the rebate deducted before payment is made. Because of this, the correct figure, taking account of the rebate, should be around £280 million per week (based on 2014 data).

£280mln per week (after rebates) is a colossal waste of money.

3. Freedom of movement is wrong. All countries should be able to turn away people that do not meet immigration criteria (health, skills, education, criminality, references). We do this for non-EU people it is only fair we apply the same rules to everybody.

[Paddy]

I rarely comment on Brexit discussions these days, but stuff like this does irritate me somewhat.

Until both sides acknowledge that the other's arguments have some validity, there will be no solution to this mess.

There are arguments for both leaving and staying in the EU - there isn't a 'right' answer.

However, in practice, the government couldn't have done a worse job of implementing "leave".

Can you give some valid reasons for leaving the EU? In three years I have not heard any.

Last week, I spend three afternoons outside Parliament and I had many conversations with leavers and some actually changed their opinion. Some were dead loses and they gave reasons such as "Did you know that the EU was started by the Nazis?". "When we leave the EU will also leave NATO, they are the same aren't they?". "All the English laws have to be approved by the EU".

[meridian]

You can have one, and we promise to ignore the result. spend three years doing nothing else except trying to implement the result without f***ing up the country, while a small cabal of influencers subvert the mandate for a utopia promised in the campaign into a “mandate” for the hardest possible result (because that one makes them a shedload of money and power, not because it’s the best result for the country)

FTFY.