Reply to: Second referendum (split from the gammons thread)

[BlueSharp]

You really are a simplistic muddlehead ain't ya?

This decision was not one that was made solely by the sitting government or even its traditional support base.

The validation of the decision came from right across the political spectrum left to right.

That is why it ought to have been incumbent upon ALL politicians to work together to deliver a sensible and realistic deal for all.

I appreciate that May has not exactly been much good at heading this up, but even when she HAS tried to make approaches to the likes of Corbyn, he is too busy trying to be an opportunistic twat for it to have had any chance of success.

In short, the whole kit and caboodle of them are guilty of a colossal dereliction of duty and are a complete embarrassment.

HTH

Which means the softest of brexits via a customs union as that is Labours demands.

[shaunbhoy]

Still proposing alternatives that I am too cloth-eared to comprehend I see

ftfy

[Whorty]

You really are a simplistic muddlehead ain't ya?

This decision was not one that was made solely by the sitting government or even its traditional support base.

The validation of the decision came from right across the political spectrum left to right.

That is why it ought to have been incumbent upon ALL politicians to work together to deliver a sensible and realistic deal for all.

I appreciate that May has not exactly been much good at heading this up, but even when she HAS tried to make approaches to the likes of Corbyn, he is too busy trying to be an opportunistic twat for it to have had any chance of success.

In short, the whole kit and caboodle of them are guilty of a colossal dereliction of duty and are a complete embarrassment.

HTH

Still talking tosh I see

[shaunbhoy]

But you're forgetting they can only 'deliver' the default if they have the numbers in Westminster to stop MPs from changing the 'default'. This has already been changed once from 29th March to 12th April. Looks like it's going to change again. This government does not have the numbers to be in control.

You really are a simplistic muddlehead ain't ya?

This decision was not one that was made solely by the sitting government or even its traditional support base.

The validation of the decision came from right across the political spectrum left to right.

That is why it ought to have been incumbent upon ALL politicians to work together to deliver a sensible and realistic deal for all.

I appreciate that May has not exactly been much good at heading this up, but even when she HAS tried to make approaches to the likes of Corbyn, he is too busy trying to be an opportunistic twat for it to have had any chance of success.

In short, the whole kit and caboodle of them are guilty of a colossal dereliction of duty and are a complete embarrassment.

HTH

[Whorty]

They don't need to deliver it. It's the default option if an agreement can't be reached. But you now hear in interviews they are talking of another ref, custom union etc.

But you're forgetting they can only 'deliver' the default if they have the numbers in Westminster to stop MPs from changing the 'default'. This has already been changed once from 29th March to 12th April. Looks like it's going to change again. This government does not have the numbers to be in control.

[NotAllThere]

The futility of some members of the public saying one thing, then the ruling party just do as they please.

...ah, bless.

It's the inability to distinguish between infer and imply that I find most endearing.

[WTFH]

What I was inferring was the futility of such demonstrations. Not matter how big the numbers involved our ruling politicians will continue to do as they please.

The futility of some members of the public saying one thing, then the ruling party just do as they please.

...ah, bless.

[NotAllThere]

My apologies for sending my last post way over your heads. What I was inferring was the futility of such demonstrations.

Were you really? Not implying anything then.

Jolly good. Cretin.

[woohoo]

It's also worth pointing out that the Tories don't have a majority in Westminster and hence cannot deliver what they promised in their manifesto. They barely have a majority on the same page in their own party, let alone cross party.

This is what the public are struggling to comprehend; if a party does not command a majority, it cannot deliver what it promised. Or will you be trying to hold all the other parties in Westminster to their manifestos too?

They don't need to deliver it. It's the default option if an agreement can't be reached. But you now hear in interviews they are talking of another ref, custom union etc.

[darmstadt]

My apologies for sending my last post way over your heads. What I was inferring was the futility of such demonstrations. Not matter how big the numbers involved our ruling politicians will continue to do as they please.

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Do they? How many times has May been overturned while she has been Prime Minister?

[Yorkie62]

But Tony Blair wasn't in such a precarious political position.

My apologies for sending my last post way over your heads. What I was inferring was the futility of such demonstrations. Not matter how big the numbers involved our ruling politicians will continue to do as they please.

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[NotAllThere]

Not forgetting the anti Iraq war march, that was very large and really help to sway Tony Blair's actions.....NOT

But Tony Blair wasn't in such a precarious political position.

[Whorty]

Not forgetting the anti Iraq war march, that was very large and really help to sway Tony Blair's actions.....NOT

Blair had a majority in Westminster and had control of his party. He also had support in Westminster cross party for the Iraq war. As such, he could do pretty much what he liked.

[Whorty]

I think it's also worth pointing out, if an agreement was not reached the Tory government promised to leave with a no deal (this was in their general election mandate).

It's also worth pointing out that the Tories don't have a majority in Westminster and hence cannot deliver what they promised in their manifesto. They barely have a majority on the same page in their own party, let alone cross party.

This is what the public are struggling to comprehend; if a party does not command a majority, it cannot deliver what it promised. Or will you be trying to hold all the other parties in Westminster to their manifestos too?

[Yorkie62]

The Brexit movement is slowly falling apart. The pro-Brexit protest march was "small".

Not forgetting the anti Iraq war march, that was very large and really help to sway Tony Blair's actions.....NOT