Reply to: May: "Voters back my Brexit plan"

[BlasterBates]

The EU is expecting May's deal to crash and burn, after which they will probably be offering a long extension.

That is the point at which Brexit will be decided.

[shaunbhoy]

You voted her in. Maybe if you didn't want a remainer in charge of brexit you should have voted for Corbyn

If we wanted a cretin in charge we could have voted for you.

[Whorty]

So in essence what you seem to be saying is that the root of the problem sits squarely in the lap of a Remainer?

Thanks for the clarification.

You voted her in. Maybe if you didn't want a remainer in charge of brexit you should have voted for Corbyn

[shaunbhoy]

May took over from Davies and started her own negotiations. This what was taken to Chequers. At this point, parliament were not involved, only her cabinet. She had resignations from cabinet. This was 2 years into the process.

Following more resignations she finally offers to put the deal to parliament. This was only in December, over 2 years into negotiations. Until this point she had not gone cross party; she hadn't even spoken to her so called allies in the DUP.

The vote finally got to parliament in January and was defeated. She then tried again last week.

She's now saying MPs have wasted 2.5 years, when the truth is parliament have only been involved for 2 months. The other 2.4 years she has kept parliament, including her own backbench MPs and DUP, out of all the talks. She's a liar to even suggest the current problems are caused by parliament; all this sits squarely on her shoulders. But, and this is the problem, people will believe whatever they want to believe as they are too thick/biased to think for themselves.

She'll be blaming the EU, then the public, next. She's not one to take responsibility.

So in essence what you seem to be saying is that the root of the problem sits squarely in the lap of a Remainer?

Thanks for the clarification.

[WTFH]

You're the § in that.

That's §-ist.

Ban him, mods!

[NotAllThere]

It means both, obviously. Vote "no" if you think her deal is crap, regardless of what your preferred outcome is. Not really that difficult. You don't have to identify as anything. It's your LGTBQRx§F right.

They have rights? What happened to my rights?

You're the § in that.

[Whorty]

Doesn't matter if we or the MPs back here plan, it's the only option on the table other than 'no deal'.

Hence May is 'sticking to her guns' and 'battling on', having colluded with Tusk to ensure the only options remain her plan or no deal and there will be no time to consider an alternative by way of referendum or GE.

By end of next week her plan will have been accepted in parliament. Even if the DUP remain unconvinced there will be enough Labour rebels tulip scared of 'no deal' that they will back May over Corbyn.

Labour and the rest need to hold their nerve and call May's bluff. If needs be, go no-deal. She knows it will be carnage, and she doesn't want it, so let's see how she deals with that. No-deal will destroy the Tories so Labour should help them along a little

[meridian]

Doesn't matter if we or the MPs back here plan,

Politically, it does. Firstly we’re a democracy not a dictatorship, so May cannot autocratically push it through. Secondly, and more importantly, a plan that is backed by no one is a plan doomed to fail from the start.

it's the only option on the table other than 'no deal'.

Plus “Revoke”. It’s been ruled out by May (autocratically) but not been voted on in Parliament, and remains an available option.

[darmstadt]

"No Deal is better than a Bad Deal."

"Brexit is Brexit."

"Red, White and Blue Brexit."

[Hobosapien]

Doesn't matter if we or the MPs back here plan, it's the only option on the table other than 'no deal'.

Hence May is 'sticking to her guns' and 'battling on', having colluded with Tusk to ensure the only options remain her plan or no deal and there will be no time to consider an alternative by way of referendum or GE.

By end of next week her plan will have been accepted in parliament. Even if the DUP remain unconvinced there will be enough Labour rebels tulip scared of 'no deal' that they will back May over Corbyn.

[meridian]

They can't. That is why they are not in Parliament. But I don't know anyone who's not able to propose something better - that's a paradox, isn't it?

Was that an intentional double-negative?

It’s only a paradox if you have an unsubstantiated belief that there is something “better” that can be had.

Occam’s Razor - if you can’t think of a better deal, then perhaps this is the best deal on offer?

And if you can think of a better deal, does it stack up to the hard light of day once it’s written down in detail?

[Federico Razzoli]

27 countries have backed her plan, that's why a lot of people in the UK automatically hate it and reject it, without being able to provide a positive suggestion for something better.

They can't. That is why they are not in Parliament. But I don't know anyone who's not able to propose something better - that's a paradox, isn't it?

[WTFH]

27 countries have backed her plan, that's why a lot of people in the UK automatically hate it and reject it, without being able to provide a positive suggestion for something better.

[Whorty]

They have rights? What happened to my rights?

You're from Yorkshire, you don't get any rights

[Yorkie62]

It means both, obviously. Vote "no" if you think her deal is crap, regardless of what your preferred outcome is. Not really that difficult. You don't have to identify as anything. It's your LGTBQRx§F right.

They have rights? What happened to my rights?