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[vetran]

That would never happen here...

UK child migrants sent to Australia sue government over abuse - BBC News

not really selling children or abducting them is it? Or permitting abuse in their own country.

Thinking we can send children to civilised Australia is not flogging off the homeless. I have to agree that its not even remotely acceptable.

n addition, the horrific story of the Swiss gypsy people, known as the Jenisch, exposed Nazi-style policies carried out behind closed doors from 1926 onwards – extending well into the 1970s. It began when the Swiss government approved a project set up by the children’s charity ‘Pro Juventute’, intended to eliminate vagrancy. Entitled ‘Kinder der Landstrasse’ (Children of the Road), it effectively sanctioned child abduction. As a result, more than 600 Jenisch newborns and infants were forcibly taken from their parents without warning and carted off to orphanages run by Pro Juventute.

[NotAllThere]

FFS, are you really as dim as you come across, or is this all just a trolling act? I hope it's trolling, but I fear it's not!

Well, if you find you're working in a project with PM as dim as a 20W light-bulb... then that's just par for the course really.

My first post was tongue in cheek -

concerning some dirt on Switzerland that's come to light in the past decade, involving child abuse. Classy.

I was trying (badly) to be funny. A parody of the two Russians visiting Salisbury.

Whilst you were in Moscow did you go on a day trip to Novosibirsk to see the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral because it is one of the first stone constructions in Novonikolayevsk? Did you walk past the house of Aleksandr Aseyev?

I smeared marmite on his door knob.

[Paddy]

Who's admitting to being Swiss?

Only passed through Moscow. Picked up from the airport, and driven 200km SW to work with the kids in the orphanages near a provincial town. I do at some point plan on going as a tourist to Moscow and St Petersburg.

I was trying (badly) to be funny. A parody of the two Russians visiting Salisbury.

[original PM]

Oy thicky, you're the one who posted the link to the Swiss abuse as if only foreigners do this kind of thing. Then when it's pointed out we have been just as bad, if not worse, then you say meh, who cares. We'd have to pay for it not to happen and who would really want to pay more tax to stop child abuse?

Are you really saying you're happy to let abuse happen so long as you can save some tax? You sir, are not a nice person.

My first post was tongue in cheek - it was only a few years ago that ever other week there was another child abuse case in a UK institution supposedly there to protect vulnerable children.

But the fact is

1) Orphans or often ignored - they have no voice - and this was especially true back in the day - hopefully it does not happen now
2) That started just after the war, no one had any money, no one had anything much of anything - so the kids would either starve/be abused in the slums of UK cities or at least have a chance of a better life in Oz/Zimbabwe.

The problem is there was no perfect solution to this - there never will be until money is no longer a thing.

[Whorty]

To be honest anything which displaces already displaced kids is always going to be hit and miss.

We have had plenty of problems with kids in social care in this country for as long as I can remember.

Is it the governments fault?

The question will be how much money do you want to throw at this problem - and many many tax payers will say as little as possible.

Oy thicky, you're the one who posted the link to the Swiss abuse as if only foreigners do this kind of thing. Then when it's pointed out we have been just as bad, if not worse, then you say meh, who cares. We'd have to pay for it not to happen and who would really want to pay more tax to stop child abuse?

Are you really saying you're happy to let abuse happen so long as you can save some tax? You sir, are not a nice person.

[original PM]

Did you miss the children who were forcibly relocated bit? That is pretty clearly the UK's fault. As for "would they have had a better life in the social care system", if you are suggesting that they would have been abused anyway had they stayed here then you have to accept that the UK is at fault again.

No I did not - the point I was making was - regardless of where they were sent or whether they stayed in the Uk was one of the choices any better or worse than another one.

Also is every kid who was in these programmes gonna sue the government or did some go on and have perfectly natural fulfilling lives?

[Whorty]

Well it was not here was it - more Australia and Zimbabwe.

Had they stayed in the UK would they have had a better life in the social care system?

FFS, are you really as dim as you come across, or is this all just a trolling act? I hope it's trolling, but I fear it's not!

[Uncle Albert]

Well it was not here was it - more Australia and Zimbabwe.

Had they stayed in the UK would they have had a better life in the social care system?

Did you miss the children who were forcibly relocated bit? That is pretty clearly the UK's fault. As for "would they have had a better life in the social care system", if you are suggesting that they would have been abused anyway had they stayed here then you have to accept that the UK is at fault again.

[original PM]

Ah, it's Australia and Zimbabwe's fault. That's why they're suing the UK government...

To be honest anything which displaces already displaced kids is always going to be hit and miss.

We have had plenty of problems with kids in social care in this country for as long as I can remember.

Is it the governments fault?

The question will be how much money do you want to throw at this problem - and many many tax payers will say as little as possible.

[NotAllThere]

Well it was not here was it - more Australia and Zimbabwe.

Had they stayed in the UK would they have had a better life in the social care system?

Ah, it's Australia and Zimbabwe's fault. That's why they're suing the UK government...

[original PM]

That would never happen here...

UK child migrants sent to Australia sue government over abuse - BBC News

Well it was not here was it - more Australia and Zimbabwe.

Had they stayed in the UK would they have had a better life in the social care system?

[Uncle Albert]

I'd rather stump up the €7 every 3 years rather than admit I'm Swiss.

Dirty Swiss Secrets << CSS Blog Network

Yet, this was not the first distressing episode in Switzerland’s recent history. There was also the case of the so-called ‘Verdingkinder’ (discarded children.) Until the 1950s, it was common practice for impoverished Swiss families to give or sell their children away to farmers, where many were made to suffer, both physically and emotionally. Some children were not fed properly, others were beaten, and several were sexually abused – all with the help and blessing of the Swiss authorities.

nice !

That would never happen here...

UK child migrants sent to Australia sue government over abuse - BBC News

Between 1945-70, some 4,000 children were separated from their families and sent to Australia and Zimbabwe.

The Independent Inquiry Into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA) considered the children who were forcibly relocated in the post-war period.

A scheme saw children from deprived backgrounds who were often already in social care - some as young as three years old - sent away with the promise of a better life.

Overseen by government, and managed by charities and the church, it was part of a longstanding policy aimed at easing the strain on UK orphanages and strengthening the British population abroad.

Victims say they went on to be sexually, emotionally and physically abused.

[NotAllThere]

I'd rather stump up the €7 every 3 years rather than admit I'm Swiss.

Who's admitting to being Swiss?

Whilst you were in Moscow did you go on a day trip to Novosibirsk to see the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral because it is one of the first stone constructions in Novonikolayevsk? Did you walk past the house of Aleksandr Aseyev?

Only passed through Moscow. Picked up from the airport, and driven 200km SW to work with the kids in the orphanages near a provincial town. I do at some point plan on going as a tourist to Moscow and St Petersburg.

[Paddy]

Yes. The basic rule seems to be that if you charge their citizens £x, they charge your citizens the local equivalent to £x. That's why when I got a visa to Russia from their embassy in Bern, it cost me twice what it cost my German colleague.

Whilst you were in Moscow did you go on a day trip to Novosibirsk to see the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral because it is one of the first stone constructions in Novonikolayevsk? Did you walk past the house of Aleksandr Aseyev?

[vetran]

No... they hate Swiss passport holders less than they British passport holders. You'd be the charged the same as me. Your attempts at logic and humour are getting ******* weird. I think you need a holiday,

Funny thing. I've a residency permit for Switzerland. Post Brexit, I won't need a visa to travel to Schengen countries.

I'd rather stump up the €7 every 3 years rather than admit I'm Swiss.

Dirty Swiss Secrets << CSS Blog Network

Yet, this was not the first distressing episode in Switzerland’s recent history. There was also the case of the so-called ‘Verdingkinder’ (discarded children.) Until the 1950s, it was common practice for impoverished Swiss families to give or sell their children away to farmers, where many were made to suffer, both physically and emotionally. Some children were not fed properly, others were beaten, and several were sexually abused – all with the help and blessing of the Swiss authorities.

nice !