Reply to: Where are all the winners today?

[Cirrus]

I'm pretty sure that Leavers think ..

No, sorry - you lost me there

[darmstadt]

Sums up Brexiters:



(wankt translated in this sense means stumble)

[darmstadt]

I wasn't after a (necessarily) better deal, just a deal which meant we were actually out. And by the looks of things, we haven't even got that. The real winners are the EU, who get to look more smug than usual, knowing that if they can screw the Brits over, they can do the same to the others in their sleep.

Another weird post, you seem to think that the EU is some kind of fictional organisation like SPECTRE or similar whereas it is fact a union of 27+1 countries of which the UK, which includes all it's citizens, is also currently a member. Does this mean that you're also a winner in that you managed to screw yourself over?

I'm pretty sure that Leavers think the EU is run by some mysterious cabal of a mixture people like Goldfinger, Dr. Evil and so on which possibly explains their fantastical imagination re. the EU

[Mordac]

Well maybe if we hadn't voted out, we wouldn't be losing. You was told you couldn't win a better deal out than we had whilst in the EU. We either leave and accept we'll be worse off, or stay in. There is no other choice.

I wasn't after a (necessarily) better deal, just a deal which meant we were actually out. And by the looks of things, we haven't even got that. The real winners are the EU, who get to look more smug than usual, knowing that if they can screw the Brits over, they can do the same to the others in their sleep.

[Whorty]

The "winners" are back in Brussels, have a good laugh at our expense.
Everyone else just got shafted, in one way or another.

HTH

Well maybe if we hadn't voted out, we wouldn't be losing. You was told you couldn't win a better deal out than we had whilst in the EU. We either leave and accept we'll be worse off, or stay in. There is no other choice.

[Mordac]

Come on Brexiters, you won. Come and let us know how you feel today. As a remainer who lost the vote I actually feel quite dapper, so you guys must be totally elated.

The "winners" are back in Brussels, have a good laugh at our expense.
Everyone else just got shafted, in one way or another.

HTH

[NotAllThere]

Deliver a deal so bad no one in their right mind will vote for it...Or am I giving her more credit than she deserves.

You're giving her more credit that she deserves. From the morning of the results, I've maintained that it is not possible for Britain to negotiate a deal that's better than staying in the EU.

If you consider that the EU is likely to go very bad over the next few years, or you are ideologically opposed to the EU, then a hard brexit would be necessary - it's the price that has to be paid.

But the idea that somehow we'd end up better off in anything other than the very long term was stupid from the outset. We'll be better off with May's deal than with no deal. But not as well off as if we'd never left in the first place.

[meridian]

Am I the only one who thinks this may have been TMs plan all along. For the first time last night she put 3 options on the table.

1. Accept the proposed deal
2. No deal.
3. Remain in the EU

As a remainer TM has played a corker. Deliver a deal so bad no one in their right mind will vote for it, as there is no hope of getting anything through parliament with the lack of a majority she has. The deal gets voted down so we are left with no deal, also not acceptable to parliament or stay in the EU. Hey presto she delivers what 48% of the people who voted in the referendum voted for (including herself) - staying in the EU. Blinding strategy...Or am I giving her more credit than she deserves.

She’s a reluctant remainer (only slightly less reluctant than Corbyn) and I don’t think she’s clever enough for the result to have been planned. Having said that, though, she’s got an offer on the table for what she wanted all along - an end to FoM. Anything else is just window dressing for her. Her only passion through her time at the Home Office, hostile environment and all that.

It’ll get dragged out to the end of the year until the EU asks if we’re signing, at which point the MPs will realise that it’s this, no deal, or no Brexit. We have inadequate planning for no deal, and the MPs have no balls for no Brexit, so they’ll come round and sign it off.

[Old Greg]

Does this mean you have come round to agreeing with Churchill and wanting to defeat the right wing loons, or not?

No. He is giving his last drunken broadest from Berlin before the Allies overrun the radio station.

[Whorty]

Does this mean you have come round to agreeing with Churchill and wanting to defeat the right wing loons, or not?

Are you suggesting Shaun should beat himself?

[WTFH]

Does this mean you have come round to agreeing with Churchill and wanting to defeat the right wing loons, or not?

[shaunbhoy]

[AtW]

One must keep in mind that the weasel word "backstop" is the opposite of what it purports to mean, and is actually the end point fully planned and intended by both the EU and Theresa May.

Thus any so called backstop which is permanent or extendable or its abolition or modification subject to EU approval is a total betrayal of Brexit and completely unacceptable.

Backstop is what people voted for

HTH

[Whorty]

"Where are all the winners today?"

Probably scattered around getting on with their lives. If any of them should ask me where all the "LOSERS" are today I shall point them towards the top end of this thread.

Hey, welcome to the thread. Thought you'd all done a runner like your MPs. Congrats on the success of the Brexit negotiations. Hope you're getting what you voted for. I'm loving the chaos in the Tory party; self destruct button well and truly pressed

[shaunbhoy]

"Where are all the winners today?"

Probably scattered around getting on with their lives. If any of them should ask me where all the "LOSERS" are today I shall point them towards the top end of this thread.