Reply to: Nurses crisis in NHS thanks to Brexit

[NotAllThere]

I was thinking of recording this, dubbing in "vetran" for "gordon".

But it has a nasty sexual predator paedophile in it, so I'll have to find a different one.

[WTFH]

yes and?

Just pointing out you had chosen an out of date newspaper article.

[vetran]

Just to update your story from 2011

GMC to accept new English language qualification for non-UK doctors - GMC

yes and?

[WTFH]

You are still an idiot for making up bollocks like that. That is not what I think and as usual you got it wrong with your prejudice.

Whilst some people who have English as a second language may have a very good command of English and a clearly understandable accent that is not true of all. That may be why a mandatory test was added because it was a significant issue.

Look there are even stories in the papers about it

Foreign doctors work in Britain without speaking English - Telegraph



Those damned racist idiots at the GMC!

Just to update your story from 2011

GMC to accept new English language qualification for non-UK doctors - GMC

[vetran]

Because they're as stupid and ignorant as you?

You're still an idiot for thinking that if someone speaks English as a second language it means that they can't speak English properly. Which point you've not even attempted to address.

You are still an idiot for making up bollocks like that. That is not what I think and as usual you got it wrong with your prejudice.

Whilst some people who have English as a second language may have a very good command of English and a clearly understandable accent that is not true of all. That may be why a mandatory test was added because it was a significant issue.

Look there are even stories in the papers about it

Foreign doctors work in Britain without speaking English - Telegraph

The General Medical Council said current European rules represent a “serious cause of concern” and risk to patient safety by banning it from testing GPs’ language skills before they can start working here.

The regulator said it has some doctors on its books who "are not able to communicate in English" but could not prevent them seeking work here under European law.


It warned that bogus doctors from other countries may find their way into the NHS by presenting fake certificates or ID, because of a lack of security checks, or could hide the fact that they had been suspended from practising in their homeland.

Those damned racist idiots at the GMC!

Almost half of EU doctors seeking work in UK failed to prove English skills | Society | The Guardian

Almost half of EU doctors seeking work in UK failed to prove English skills
General Medical Council says 45% of those who applied in the past year did not give evidence of their language skills and were refused a licence to practise

Comes to something when even the Guardian has a go at foreigners.


But I do agree regional UK accents do present an issue and speech training for all NHS staff with issues might be a good step forward.

[NotAllThere]

I always thought of Nursing as a vocation, not a job!

Use to be like that. Now it's a graduate profession, so people who had the call, but not the academic ability, are excluded. Which is a shame, because when it comes to dealing with patients who are oozing, people with a vocation are to be preferred over people with a degree. (Not that expert nurses with a degree are a bad thing either, but a non-academic route to nursing should have been kept - although nursing associates might fill the gap).

Well vetran has apparently lots of friends who would like to be nurses...Now that the EU lot are buggering off maybe they could step up to the wicket and do their bit for the country...

Won't help. They'll need degrees.

[darmstadt]

I always thought of Nursing as a vocation, not a job!

The problem is that not enough people get the calling.

Well vetran has apparently lots of friends who would like to be nurses...Now that the EU lot are buggering off maybe they could step up to the wicket and do their bit for the country...

[Zigenare]

I always thought of Nursing as a vocation, not a job!

The problem is that not enough people get the calling.

[sasguru]

How many of those are talking about? Exactly.
Ignorant twat.

Because they're as stupid and ignorant as you?

You're still an idiot for thinking that if someone speaks English as a second language it means that they can't speak English properly. Which point you've not even attempted to address.

Are you saying that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about? Shirley not!

[Eirikur]

So they should be able to afford to comfortably buy a house near their hospital in central London then. Oh, wait.

Why take just pay, without looking at the cost of living in places too? Totally imbalanced argument; it's like suggesting £3.1bn per year is a great corporate revenue without knowing what the costs are.

In civilised countries, nurses are offered accomodation near the hospital as part of the package

[LondonManc]

British nurses are amongst the best paid in the world, only a handful of countries pay better. They should stop complaining as their salaries already cripple the NHS budget.
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Paid Salaries for Nurses

So they should be able to afford to comfortably buy a house near their hospital in central London then. Oh, wait.

Why take just pay, without looking at the cost of living in places too? Totally imbalanced argument; it's like suggesting £3.1bn per year is a great corporate revenue without knowing what the costs are.

[NotAllThere]

Oh goody, so why do so many people say "I couldn't understand the nurse/doctor?"

Because they're as stupid and ignorant as you?

You're still an idiot for thinking that if someone speaks English as a second language it means that they can't speak English properly. Which point you've not even attempted to address.

[pscont]

I'm sure my friends who would love to be nurses may appreciate not being undercut by the cheap EU nurses!

How many of those are talking about? Exactly.
Ignorant twat.

[Yorkie62]

Because they were from Liverpool?

I could go with that, although possibly might want to include such areas as Newcastle and Birmingham too. Purely on the grounds of diversity and inclusion.

[Eirikur]

Oh goody, so why do so many people say "I couldn't understand the nurse/doctor?"

Because they were from Liverpool?