Reply to: 3 Blokes In The Pub... Talk NO DEAL Brexit

[sasguru]

lets pull together and show a united front otherwise we are going to fail spectacularly.

As the Nazi top brass repeatedly said to the German people post Stalingrad.

[meridian]

It's the childish bickering that gets me.

Yep, that's politics for you. Ever watched PMQ's? It's worse than the schoolyard.

This is not just economics, it's about the society we live in.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to separate economics and politics from the society that we live in. Nissan didn't move to Sunderland because of the climate, as an example....

The stark truth is the manifest failure of global capitalism.

I disagree. International rules on trade, finance, regulation and standards, etc have helped countries grow. There are issues, certainly, but not (imo) enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater. What would you replace it with?

I couldn't have given two shakes prior to the Tories wanting to cauterise the old wound,

Neither could the rest of the country. Despite how it seems now, for the ten years prior to the referendum it ranked as an issue for around 5% of people.

I'm a well paid contractor who doesn't want to rock the boat and is content with hoovering up the crumbs.

You're on the wrong subforum then Politics will rock your boat, even in a non-Brexit situation. Some people like it, some don't.

Speak to someone who doesn't or hasn't ever had that opportunity and I can completely appreciate why they feel utterly let down by the current status quo hence the vote result.

Agreed. Where we may have a different opinion is that I don't believe that much if this is the fault of the EU, and that leaving the EU will not fix their complaints.

If i was to be cheeky, I'd ask what opportunities do "those people" not think that they have? According to the latest employment data we're at or near full employment, so they must have a job. Universities have moved towards user-pays, so practically anyone can get a higher education in return for a small debt. Work hard, get an education, pay back the loan, what's the problem?

Not enough work close to home? That's not the EU's problem, that's a London-centric view from Westminster.

Too many foreigners taking jobs? Not according to the employment statistics where we're fully employed, unless of course you think that the statistics are fudged to make them look better than the reality.

Immigrants taking low-paid jobs, depressing wages? This doesn't seem to be a problem for the other EU countries that have higher levels of immigration per capita, where wages have grown. This appears to be solely a UK problem (also Greece, but their internal problems are well-documented)

Changing the status quo is not going to help our regions. Sorry.

I really don't want to leave but lets not keep re-running the vote. We're going out, lets pull together and show a united front otherwise we are going to fail spectacularly.

The vote was 48/52, there is no united front until the government can present a proposal that is vaguely acceptable to the majority of the population. Unfortunately, the government has chosen to go Hard Brexit to align with the ERG, rather than seek a consensus.

If (when) Brexit fails spectacularly it won't be due to a few whiners on an internet forum. It will be because of one or more of:
- Brexit is a bad idea and no version of it will be better than what we currently have
- If there is a good version of Brexit, the government is not pushing it
- Any version of Brexit requires a plan, and A50 was triggered before anyone knew what they were doing
- Regardless of whether there is a good Brexit and we had time, Parliament is full of chancers who don't know what they are doing anyway

[scooterscot]

The stark truth is the manifest failure of global capitalism. .

All you've done there is change the subject and deflect. This is not bickering. The UK leaving the EU is nothing to do with global capitalism and everything to do with jingoistic populism.

[compedomp]

It's the childish bickering that gets me. This is not just economics, it's about the society we live in.

The stark truth is the manifest failure of global capitalism. I couldn't have given two shakes prior to the Tories wanting to cauterise the old wound, I'm a well paid contractor who doesn't want to rock the boat and is content with hoovering up the crumbs.

Speak to someone who doesn't or hasn't ever had that opportunity and I can completely appreciate why they feel utterly let down by the current status quo hence the vote result.

I really don't want to leave but lets not keep re-running the vote. We're going out, lets pull together and show a united front otherwise we are going to fail spectacularly.

[vetran]

The sun will rise tomorrow - well, until it happens, that's just speculation and conjecture.

Some clouds have potential. And then it's actualised is a bloomin' great lightning bolt.

typical bloody remainer completely wrong about the basics, thinking the Sun rotates around the EU. Copernicus sorted that out years ago!

[Whorty]

Well the mere fact that it seems to scare the tulip out of simple-minded jellyheads like you is a huge positive. There will be many more in the fullness of time but they will, for the most part, fly over the empty heads of dimwits like you and the other assembled muttonheads in this sub-forum.

You will just have to be patient.........maybe you should invest in a fidgetspinner to help the time pass?

So nothing then? You're hoping something crops up and then when/if it does you'll claim you knew about this all along and this is what you expected. Nice try. You have no idea why you voted for Brexit and how it is positive for the UK, apart from the xenophobic reasons set forward by your bible the Daily Wail.

I'm happy to hear the positives of Brexit, and be convinced of the benefits, however I've yet to hear a single argument that holds up to scrutiny on here, or by the MPs leading Brexit.

[shaunbhoy]

i've asked you many times before and you've yet to give a single positive for brexit

Well the mere fact that it seems to scare the tulip out of simple-minded jellyheads like you is a huge positive. There will be many more in the fullness of time but they will, for the most part, fly over the empty heads of dimwits like you and the other assembled muttonheads in this sub-forum.

You will just have to be patient.........maybe you should invest in a fidgetspinner to help the time pass?

[Whorty]

Ah yes, but that is because you are not a panic-stricken snowflake. If you were such a beast you'd understand why this little enclave of skittish dunderheads have all congregated here within this Brexit sub-forum in order to comfort each other and bleat and gurn in unison.
I suppose it at least keeps them from clogging up the rest of the forum with their naive alarmist gibberish, but it is pretty pathetic to witness.

Here we go, typical Brexidiot response. Claim the overwhelming facts are just project fear and being alarmist rather than actually coming up with reasons why the world will be better after brexit. Come on brainy one, i've asked you many times before and you've yet to give a single positive for brexit - come on, just the one positive, rather than the realism that unless we have some kind of deal thousands of people could lose their livelihoods. Your leaders have no solutions and neither do you.

[darmstadt]

Ah yes, but that is because you are not a panic-stricken snowflake. If you were such a beast you'd understand why this little enclave of skittish dunderheads have all congregated here within this Brexit sub-forum in order to comfort each other and bleat and gurn in unison.
I suppose it at least keeps them from clogging up the rest of the forum with their naive alarmist gibberish, but it is pretty pathetic to witness.

Actually we do it to wind up the village idiot's idiot

[Bean]

In context I think he meant "Lost contracts" not "Lots".

I concur.

Someone else must have been reading too quickly, to grasp the context.

[RyanDS]

No you'll won't. EU countries don't trade individually, they trade as one block. Really.. I'm mean do really believe that we'll have individual agreements with EU countries or are you just winding me up?

Canadian officials announced the launch of negotiations on 6 May 2009, the negotiations were concluded in August 2014, and signed on 30 October 2016.

Yes I'm sure the UK will have a deal all stitched up in 6 months (keeping in mind the party couldn't even agree amongst themselves in the last 2-years - dear @£$ what a cluster @£$@£)

In context I think he meant "Lost contracts" not "Lots".

[shaunbhoy]

As and when I know what has been agreed that will affect my circumstances - if anything - then, I'll deal with it.

Ah yes, but that is because you are not a panic-stricken snowflake. If you were such a beast you'd understand why this little enclave of skittish dunderheads have all congregated here within this Brexit sub-forum in order to comfort each other and bleat and gurn in unison.
I suppose it at least keeps them from clogging up the rest of the forum with their naive alarmist gibberish, but it is pretty pathetic to witness.

[NotAllThere]

...The rest is just speculation and conjecture...

The sun will rise tomorrow - well, until it happens, that's just speculation and conjecture.

Some clouds have potential. And then it's actualised is a bloomin' great lightning bolt.

[Zigenare]

FFS if you're going to come back as a sockie can you be a little less tediously predictable than your previous incarnation?

You go first.

[sasguru]

I would rather listen to you as you clearly know what you are talking about.

FFS if you're going to come back as a sockie can you be a little less tediously predictable than your previous incarnation?