Reply to: Airbus Out, Boeing In

[sasguru]

The manufacturing sector needs to think outside the box and stop being constrained by the eurocrats. Look at this nonsense:

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-...7-1e1a0846c475



Instead of being ruled by fear and unpredictability, they should innovate - they're in an old Spitfire factory for heaven's sake! Stoup using inferior imported European parts, and use the surplus Airbus wings - put the Great back into Great Britain!

Doh! and double Doh!

[meridian]

The manufacturing sector needs to think outside the box and stop being constrained by the eurocrats. Look at this nonsense:

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-...7-1e1a0846c475



Instead of being ruled by fear and unpredictability, they should innovate - they're in an old Spitfire factory for heaven's sake! Stoup using inferior imported European parts, and use the surplus Airbus wings - put the Great back into Great Britain!

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was a documentary, far ahead of its time. :-)

[Old Greg]

Yep, we do. But even if they could possibly be recognised as a competent certifying authority (and I’m not sure they can, given that this work has fallen under EASA for over a decade) there is no agreement between them and every other international agency that currently recognises this.

“No deal” really means no deal.

The manufacturing sector needs to think outside the box and stop being constrained by the eurocrats. Look at this nonsense:

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-...7-1e1a0846c475

Honda now fears that the border checks that could be introduced as a result of Brexit will clog up the process. If Britain were to leave the customs union, Honda estimates European parts will take a minimum of two to three days to reach the plant, and possibly as long as nine days. Delivery times of finished cars may also be just as unpredictable.*

Instead of being ruled by fear and unpredictability, they should innovate - they're in an old Spitfire factory for heaven's sake! Stoup using inferior imported European parts, and use the surplus Airbus wings - put the Great back into Great Britain!

[meridian]

Airbus Out, Boeing In

We still have the CAA, just saying like.

Yep, we do. But even if they could possibly be recognised as a competent certifying authority (and I’m not sure they can, given that this work has fallen under EASA for over a decade) there is no agreement between them and every other international agency that currently recognises this.

“No deal” really means no deal.

[Zigenare]

They have their own safety regulatory bodies with bilateral international agreements on complementary standards.

The U.K. is currently part of the EU so falls under the EASA agency. When the U.K. leaves (or before) it will need to set up it’s own regulatory agency and there will need to be an agreement on standards between that new body and any market that planes fly into. On Brexit Day the U.K. will become a third party country and so the EASA will not have the jurisdiction to issue safety certificates or similar.

Even if the U.K. agency were to be set up now, by definition if there is “no deal” then there is no agreement between that agency and the rest of the world on complementary standards. “Self-certification” might work for getting a mortgage, but not in international air worthiness.

We still have the CAA, just saying like.

[Old Greg]

By having the products passed and approved for sale prior to purchase.
I've talked about standards on here before, but most leavers aren't interested in the impact of them.

https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478089
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478137
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478146
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478179
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478186

As long as they get their blue passports, what does it matter?

[meridian]

Airbus Out, Boeing In

Inneresting.

How do China and the USA overcome this limitation?

They have their own safety regulatory bodies with bilateral international agreements on complementary standards.

The U.K. is currently part of the EU so falls under the EASA agency. When the U.K. leaves (or before) it will need to set up it’s own regulatory agency and there will need to be an agreement on standards between that new body and any market that planes fly into. On Brexit Day the U.K. will become a third party country and so the EASA will not have the jurisdiction to issue safety certificates or similar.

Even if the U.K. agency were to be set up now, by definition if there is “no deal” then there is no agreement between that agency and the rest of the world on complementary standards. “Self-certification” might work for getting a mortgage, but not in international air worthiness.

Edit: there might be a loophole where, for example, wings are manufactured in the U.K. and then sent to Hamburg or Toulouse to the parent company for certification. The question then would be, is the EU allowed to import non-certified aircraft parts?

[WTFH]

Inneresting.

How do China and the USA overcome this limitation?

By having the products passed and approved for sale prior to purchase.
I've talked about standards on here before, but most leavers aren't interested in the impact of them.

https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478089
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478137
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478146
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478179
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2478186

[Zigenare]

Someone’s pointed out to me the correlation between the HoC vote and the Airbus announcement.

The HoC vote was ostensibly for the government to keep “no deal” alive as a bargaining chip. Shortly after this came the Airbus announcement.

Under a “no deal” scenario the wings manufactured by Airbus the day after Brexit are no longer compliant with EASA and there is no longer an EU market for them.

The government is promoting “no deal” as an option. “No deal” would destroy Airbus in the U.K. overnight.

Inneresting.

How do China and the USA overcome this limitation?

[BlasterBates]

A million jobs at risk warn the car industry

Anyway good to know Boeing will be expanding its operations at its small factory in Sheffield.

[meridian]

Someone’s pointed out to me the correlation between the HoC vote and the Airbus announcement.

The HoC vote was ostensibly for the government to keep “no deal” alive as a bargaining chip. Shortly after this came the Airbus announcement.

Under a “no deal” scenario the wings manufactured by Airbus the day after Brexit are no longer compliant with EASA and there is no longer an EU market for them.

The government is promoting “no deal” as an option. “No deal” would destroy Airbus in the U.K. overnight.

[WTFH]

...they can spend the rest of their lives bitching, spewing bile and foaming at the mouth - something which Brexiters have been doing about the EU for a long time, along with voicing opposition to rational issues

FTFTFY

You said it, not me.
You're voicing opposition to rational issues.

Or, "being irrational".

[Bean]

...they can spend the rest of their lives bitching, spewing bile and foaming at the mouth - something which Brexiters have been doing about the EU for a long time, along with voicing opposition to rational issues (which even those within the EU have admitted needs another look/reform).

FTFY

FTFTFY

[sasguru]

Why do you still distinguish between those who voted "Yes" and those who voted "No" in the referendum? Have you built an Ark for the remainers?

The vast majority of those who voted remain will be in the same boat as the rest of us in the UK and therefore have an incentive to help contribute to making things work.

Failing that they can spend the rest of their lives bitching, spewing bile and foaming at the mouth - something which appears to be your new hobby.

Still can't think further than your nose, can you?
If the economy goes into a tail spin because of Brexit, which demographic will fare better, do you think?

The "bitching, spewing bile and foaming at the mouth " seems to be a figment of your imagination, since I am on record as saying I want Brexit to go ahead asap

I am also on record as saying I don't expect disaster (unless a no-deal Brexit happens).
What will happen will be a decline in the average growth rate that will leave Britain noticeably poorer than her continental neighbours 5-10 years down the line.

[WTFH]

...they can spend the rest of their lives bitching, spewing bile and foaming at the mouth - something which Brexiters have been doing about the EU for a long time.

FTFY