A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[Bean]

Have you ever actually worked with a business that trades?
Have you ever set up their systems when they start trading across borders?

Have you actually read what I wrote, or just what you wanted to read?

We’re not talking just about making changes when the CEN makes a change. We are talking about doubling the paperwork/stamping for every product that needs to be sold to the EU and the UK.
That’s doubling.
Not as a one off, but going forward as well.
If the product is stamped with the EN mark, then there will have to be 2 different production runs.

Basic manufacturing.

Are you assuming that people are only trading with the EU, otherwise this is currently the case for them and any other market other than the EU

So are the UK unique in this, or do other producers currently have to have some kind of local national safety stamp AND the EU stamp? (I'm willing to bet the UK wouldn't be unique)

Do understand the meaning of capitalism and the voluntary nature of running a business?

Since the negotiations are ongoing, are we all assuming too much? (Isn't it plausible, that since we're likely to assimilate most of the EU instruments - we can continue to share CEN, if agreed etc etc?)

HTH BIDI

[Bean]

Hint: Have you got your mobile phone charger with you, or a laptop charger?
Does it have the following stamped on it:


Does it have this stamped on it:


One says it conformed to European tests. The other says it conforms to UK tests.
Currently you only need the CE mark.

What about selling in China?

Do you get my point yet?

[BlasterBates]

Except everyone on the EU side said the 4 freedoms were indivisible.

Absolutely, that is what the majority of the EU wants, if it wasn't then European Parliament has it within it's power to propose such reforms.

Eurosceptics don't believe in European democracy. They only believe in shoving their minority opinions down everyone else's throats.

Well now the UK will have EU laws shoved down it's throat after they've grovelled for their deal.

[Bee]

Are you assuming that people are only trading with the EU, otherwise this is currently the case for them and any other market other than the EU

So are the UK unique in this, or do other producers currently have to have some kind of local national safety stamp AND the EU stamp? (I'm willing to bet the UK wouldn't be unique)

Do understand the meaning of capitalism and the voluntary nature of running a business?

Since the negotiations are ongoing, are we all assuming too much? (Isn't it plausible, that since we're likely to assimilate most of the EU instruments - we can continue to share CEN, if agreed etc etc?)

HTH BIDI

The EU countries don't need to trade only within the EU you are free to trade with the countries you want.

[BlasterBates]

The EU countries don't need to trade only within the EU you are free to trade with the countries you want.

Indeed the Eurosceptics keep telling us that WTO are perfectly adequate.

[WTFH]

So are the UK unique in this, or do other producers currently have to have some kind of local national safety stamp AND the EU stamp? (I'm willing to bet the UK wouldn't be unique)

Most products sold in/to the EU will only have a CE mark on them. The exceptions will be where a specific country has tighter standards than the European ones, in which case both marks may appear, or where Europe does not have a standard - in which case the product is only approved for sale in one country.

Each large country has its own standards organisation, for example the Deutsches Institut für Normung is the German equivalent of the British Standards Institute.
They have a website that explains it better than I could:
https://www.din.de/en/about-standards/din-standards

If you know anyone who is a competent test analyst they may be able to advise you on the importance of having standards.

[Bean]

Absolutely, that is what the majority of the EU wants, if it wasn't then European Parliament has it within it's power to propose such reforms.

Eurosceptics don't believe in European democracy. They only believe in shoving their minority opinions down everyone else's throats.

Well now the UK will have EU laws shoved down it's throat after they've grovelled for their deal.

I see and hear the EU demanding/grovelling for some euros of divorce payment.

I see and hear MB & DD both saying both sides want an agreement.

It's reasonable to assume that if you want to sell a product in a foreign country, that you abide by market regulations - but that won't include a whole host of areas, in which the EU has deposited itself over successive years.

Still, the EU is now free to get closer in union and all the benefits, risk and consequences of doing so.
Good luck to them.

[Mordac]

Hint: Have you got your mobile phone charger with you, or a laptop charger?
Does it have the following stamped on it:


Does it have this stamped on it:


One says it conformed to European tests. The other says it conforms to UK tests.
Currently you only need the CE mark.

I thought CE stood for "made in China, likely to Explode"...

[motoukenin]

Most products sold in/to the EU will only have a CE mark on them. The exceptions will be where a specific country has tighter standards than the European ones, in which case both marks may appear, or where Europe does not have a standard - in which case the product is only approved for sale in one country.

Each large country has its own standards organisation, for example the Deutsches Institut für Normung is the German equivalent of the British Standards Institute.
They have a website that explains it better than I could:
https://www.din.de/en/about-standards/din-standards

If you know anyone who is a competent test analyst they may be able to advise you on the importance of having standards.

Think your wasting your time with this guy/girl he/she's a theorist and has no idea of what will happen in practice , like to see him put in a room with a family of JAMS just after we go WTO rules with the whole world and prices of petrol , food and clothes soar and then let him explain about standards when they are having to go to food banks to feed their kids.

[BlasterBates]

I see and hear the EU demanding/grovelling for some euros of divorce payment.

I see and hear MB & DD both saying both sides want an agreement.

It's reasonable to assume that if you want to sell a product in a foreign country, that you abide by market regulations - but that won't include a whole host of areas, in which the EU has deposited itself over successive years.

Still, the EU is now free to get closer in union and all the benefits, risk and consequences of doing so.
Good luck to them.

May was clearly grovelling in Florence for trade talks to begin in October. After the last meeting Barnier and Juncker have stated that trade talks will not take place.