A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[WTFH]

What about selling in China?

Do you get my point yet?

Selling to any country you need to meet that country’s standards.

Selling to China, you need to meet SAC standards.
Buying from China, they must meet our standards.

But you don’t get it, do you?
If a UK business wants to sell something in the UK post Brexit it will require a BS Kitemark on it.
Currently very few products have that. Most are CE stamped.

If a foreign business wants to sell something to the UK post Brexit, it will require a BS Kitemark on it.
Currently very few products have that. Most are CE stamped.

So, UK businesses who want to sell in the UK are going to have to make changes to their manufacturing.
And foreign businesses who want to sell in the UK are going to have to do the same.

It’s not about selling to China, it’s about selling in the UK.

The companies (no matter where they are located) have the option of re-tooling to sell to the UK, at an increased cost, or not bothering with the extra cost and keeping their trade elsewhere. It’s simple business.

[Bean]

Most products sold in/to the EU will only have a CE mark on them. The exceptions will be where a specific country has tighter standards than the European ones, in which case both marks may appear, or where Europe does not have a standard - in which case the product is only approved for sale in one country.

Each large country has its own standards organisation, for example the Deutsches Institut für Normung is the German equivalent of the British Standards Institute.
They have a website that explains it better than I could:
https://www.din.de/en/about-standards/din-standards

If you know anyone who is a competent test analyst they may be able to advise you on the importance of having standards.

So, just to summarise/paraphrase;

Exporters all over the world will more than likely currently stamp their products with CE (or multiple), due to it generally being the highest standard available.
Those foreign exporters are not privy to any future changes being made (and the UK could soon be in the same position) to EU regulations.
They are not going out of business in any significant numbers, due to any EU changes, or the fact they stamp a product multiple times.
UK exporters currently stamp products with CE, where applicable.
UK exporters will have to stamp future products with CE, where applicable in addition to any others.
Running a business is voluntary
Costs to a business are offset against profits
Businesses must adapt to new regulations to survive

I'll highlight the relevant parts, if required again - but only once more, after that I will no longer believe that you are capable of grasping the point.

Ask if you need any more help.

[WTFH]

Here’s a few you may have heard of...
ISO 100 Film Speed
DIN cables (5 pin, 8 pin, etc)
Ski boot DIN
Or maybe ANSI/TIA-568.D Category 6.

[Bee]

So are the UK unique in this, or do other producers currently have to have some kind of local national safety stamp AND the EU stamp? (I'm willing to bet the UK wouldn't be unique)

No, all the countries have their own quality standards, after the EU was created, the quality standards were harmonized in one to indicating the minimum quality standards. If you see a product with the CE means that the product was produced in EU and can circulate in the EU.

[Bean]

Selling to any country you need to meet that country’s standards.

Selling to China, you need to meet SAC standards.
Buying from China, they must meet our standards.

But you don’t get it, do you?
If a UK business wants to sell something in the UK post Brexit it will require a BS Kitemark on it.
Currently very few products have that. Most are CE stamped.

If a foreign business wants to sell something to the UK post Brexit, it will require a BS Kitemark on it.
Currently very few products have that. Most are CE stamped.

So, UK businesses who want to sell in the UK are going to have to make changes to their manufacturing.
And foreign businesses who want to sell in the UK are going to have to do the same.

It’s not about selling to China, it’s about selling in the UK.

The companies (no matter where they are located) have the option of re-tooling to sell to the UK, at an increased cost, or not bothering with the extra cost and keeping their trade elsewhere. It’s simple business.

So tell me, given the state of our buyers market for a whole range of goods - do exporters not want our money?

If there's profit in it, businesses are border-blind.

Costs can be offset until their process are ready, and I'd expect some help from government to be given to halt any potential landslide of business closures.

I previously wrote about us ALL assuming too much, for instance, wasn't there a proposal that we may stay inside the CEN and therefore most, if not all of your point is moot?

[WTFH]

So, just to summarise/paraphrase;

Exporters all over the world will more than likely currently stamp their products with CE (or multiple), due to it generally being the highest standard available.
Those foreign exporters are not privy to any future changes being made (and the UK could soon be in the same position) to EU regulations.
They are not going out of business in any significant numbers, due to any EU changes, or the fact they stamp a product multiple times.
UK exporters currently stamp products with CE, where applicable.
UK exporters will have to stamp future products with CE, where applicable in addition to any others.
Running a business is voluntary
Costs to a business are offset against profits
Businesses must adapt to new regulations to survive

I'll highlight the relevant parts, if required again - but only once more, after that I will no longer believe that you are capable of grasping the point.

Ask if you need any more help.

You’re clueless.
The biggest issue is not about selling abroad, it’s about selling in the UK or selling to the UK.

Running a business is voluntary.
If it’s not cost effective to trade with or within the UK, then those businesses may voluntarily choose not to trade with or within the UK.

Ask if you need help with basic English.

[Bee]

So, just to summarise/paraphrase;

Exporters all over the world will more than likely currently stamp their products with CE (or multiple), due to it generally being the highest standard available.
Those foreign exporters are not privy to any future changes being made (and the UK could soon be in the same position) to EU regulations.
They are not going out of business in any significant numbers, due to any EU changes, or the fact they stamp a product multiple times.
UK exporters currently stamp products with CE, where applicable.
UK exporters will have to stamp future products with CE, where applicable in addition to any others.
Running a business is voluntary
Costs to a business are offset against profits
Businesses must adapt to new regulations to survive

I'll highlight the relevant parts, if required again - but only once more, after that I will no longer believe that you are capable of grasping the point.

Ask if you need any more help.

What do you mean, marke with the CE after leaving the EU?

[Bean]

Think your wasting your time with this guy/girl he/she's a theorist and has no idea of what will happen in practice , like to see him put in a room with a family of JAMS just after we go WTO rules with the whole world and prices of petrol , food and clothes soar and then let him explain about standards when they are having to go to food banks to feed their kids.

Negotiations haven't yet concluded.
(we could stay in CEN etc, which makes some points moot)

Agreements aren't yet finalised.
(So nobody known if there will be tariffs yet, and what the prices of anything will be yet)

Governments have a duty to improve living standards, oh and food bank use is up whilst we're IN the EU......so shall we put you in a room to explain how that's happening to the JAMS right now?

You call me a theorist, but can I borrow whichever crystal ball you and WTFH are sharing for the lotto numbers?

[Bean]

What do you mean, marke with the CE after leaving the EU?

e.g. something similar to Norway could potentially be agreed;

"CEN rules state that you can only join CEN if you are a member of the EU or about to become a member. In the case of non-EU countries including Norway and Switzerland, their membership in the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) qualifies them as well."

HTH BIDI

[BlasterBates]

The companies (no matter where they are located) have the option of re-tooling to sell to the UK, at an increased cost, or not bothering with the extra cost and keeping their trade elsewhere. It’s simple business.

Indeed on a TV report several months ago I heard German business owners saying they'd just give up trading with the UK altogether after Brexit because of the hassle.