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Previously on "How the UK Government is making a successful Brexit Difficult"

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  • BrilloPad
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    Originally posted by motoukenin View Post
    One of many examples where UK Govt. have made a mess of things, you only have to look at the IR35 fiasco to loose complete confidence in anything they do.
    That was all labour's fault. Thanks to Tory strong and stable leadership everything is fine.

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  • motoukenin
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    When I go into a negotiation I state what I want, The reason the UK isn't stating what they want is because they don't know.

    This is going to be a complex negotiation and it is clear that the UK is going to make terrible mess of it because they don't know what they want.

    One of many examples where UK Govt. have made a mess of things, you only have to look at the IR35 fiasco to loose complete confidence in anything they do.

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  • vetran
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    What do we want?
    We want Brexit,
    When do we want it?
    Now

    Seriously there seems to be only animosity in the EU and the determination the UK have to lose.

    That hardly seems professional, not sure why the Bremoaners seem to think they can defend it.

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    When I go into a negotiation I state what I want, The reason the UK isn't stating what they want is because they don't know.

    This is going to be a complex negotiation and it is clear that the UK is going to make terrible mess of it because they don't know what they want.

    It's simpler than that, I reckon, and perhaps partly explains why the election was called when it was.

    I think May & co concluded some time ago that their red lines would never be agreed by the EU, and the negotiations would simply drag on with increasing rancour and disruption and no agreement. So they plan to simply cut loose cleanly and start trading on WTO terms and then take it from there.

    The Tories simply need a clear five year term to let the dust settle, give the EU time to see that a trade deal is to their advantage as well as the UK's, and hopefully to sew up a favourable deal.

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    When I go into a negotiation I state what I want, The reason the UK isn't stating what they want is because they don't know.

    This is going to be a complex negotiation and it is clear that the UK is going to make terrible mess of it because they don't know what they want.

    Nonsense. They just haven't blurted it all over the press yet.

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  • diseasex
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    When I go into a negotiation I state what I want, The reason the UK isn't stating what they want is because they don't know.

    This is going to be a complex negotiation and it is clear that the UK is going to make terrible mess of it because they don't know what they want.

    We ?

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  • northernladyuk
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post
    The EU bureaucrats may have stated their clear position but they have so far refused to negotiate that position with the UK, which is why the UK can't have a position yet. We (presumably) want it to be an early and mutually beneficial agreement but the macho men of the EU are only interested in being macho men. Could tit be that deep down they recognise their position as untenable and one of their most valuable members is about to disappear without paying them anything?

    Most of the EU-derived noise is because they want the UK to keep paying to keep their little self-serving clique alive so they can continue their federalist dreams.
    The UK can't have a position?

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post
    The EU bureaucrats may have stated their clear position but they have so far refused to negotiate that position with the UK, which is why the UK can't have a position yet. We (presumably) want it to be an early and mutually beneficial agreement but the macho men of the EU are only interested in being macho men. Could tit be that deep down they recognise their position as untenable and one of their most valuable members is about to disappear without paying them anything?

    Most of the EU-derived noise is because they want the UK to keep paying to keep their little self-serving clique alive so they can continue their federalist dreams.
    When I go into a negotiation I state what I want, The reason the UK isn't stating what they want is because they don't know.

    This is going to be a complex negotiation and it is clear that the UK is going to make terrible mess of it because they don't know what they want.

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Spot on, the EU has a clear well thought through position on the fate of EU and also British citizens "cut adrift" but can anyone explain the British position other than their disagreement with the EU.

    I can't find any clear statements on what the PM wants on this other than she would "like to do a deal" and the fact that she disagrees with the EU position.

    The EU bureaucrats may have stated their clear position but they have so far refused to negotiate that position with the UK, which is why the UK can't have a position yet. We (presumably) want it to be an early and mutually beneficial agreement but the macho men of the EU are only interested in being macho men. Could tit be that deep down they recognise their position as untenable and one of their most valuable members is about to disappear without paying them anything?

    Most of the EU-derived noise is because they want the UK to keep paying to keep their little self-serving clique alive so they can continue their federalist dreams.

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  • VectraMan
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    By posting the details on an FT site no-one can see?

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  • BlasterBates
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    Spot on, the EU has a clear well thought through position on the fate of EU and also British citizens "cut adrift" but can anyone explain the British position other than their disagreement with the EU.

    I can't find any clear statements on what the PM wants on this other than she would "like to do a deal" and the fact that she disagrees with the EU position.

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  • How the UK Government is making a successful Brexit Difficult

    from the FT:

    https://www.ft.com/content/ea5c01f1-...b-4cfe439243f3

    seems the government is sabotaging their own Brexit.

    Actually a friend of mine already made the same conclusion a couple of months ago so this FT article only goes to reinforce the school of thought

    Milan.

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