Reply to: IPSE Futures email

[cojak]

This isa Professional forum.

I am closing this this thread - if you both want to squabble like school boys do it in General.

[tractor]

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What you keep demanding they progress despite being told time and again why they can't.

Or put your money where your mouth is and sue an agency for abuse of the Regs. IPSE will support you in that, and it would eventually lead to the resolution you (and others, including me) would like to see happen. Or is that too much head over parapet?

IPSE will not acknowledge that Opt Out abuse by agencies is prevalent or indeed even a problem.

When I discussed it with you, you told me if I was running a real business, I would not have to rely upon employee legislation then claimed to have been personally looking for a case to take up. When I raised it again, Tarbera said 'What abuse?'

The support from IPSE is not there. Contrary to your claims.

[malvolio]

Indulge me for the sake of clarity.

IPSE cannot progress what?

What you keep demanding they progress despite being told time and again why they can't.

Or put your money where your mouth is and sue an agency for abuse of the Regs. IPSE will support you in that, and it would eventually lead to the resolution you (and others, including me) would like to see happen. Or is that too much head over parapet?

[v8gaz]

Except for it doesn't work in reality.

How is your scientific study into Opt Out abuse going? This is just a case in point.

Define 'work'. I raised your issue several times, and it appears that very few others consider this as major a problem as you do. I'm continuing to press, but being on the CC or even the BoD is NOT an automatic route to getting your own way. Resources are finite, and there are a lot of things happening right now that are considered more important - especially with an election coming up.

[tractor]

lol - good one

Even Mav won't fall for this one answer a simple question, even for the sake of clarity.

FTFY

[northernladuk]

It also makes you more attractive to the opposite sex

Also some stuff here

https://www.ipse.co.uk/news/2015/ips...urself-forward

It does???? Where do I sign up?

[tarbera]

Indulge me for the sake of clarity.

IPSE cannot progress what?

lol - good one

Even Mav won't fall for this one

[tractor]

Precisely my point about not listening to what's being said. The reason IPSE can't progress this has been explained, in detail, at least twice. What do you suggest they do differently that would actually allow them to make progress?

Indulge me for the sake of clarity.

IPSE cannot progress what?

[malvolio]

Except for it doesn't work in reality.

How is your scientific study into Opt Out abuse going? This is just a case in point.

Precisely my point about not listening to what's being said. The reason IPSE can't progress this has been explained, in detail, at least twice. What do you suggest they do differently that would actually allow them to make progress?

[tractor]

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So V8 what if I'm happy being a keyboard warrior do I need to join the CC ?

Partly, it is this sort of juvenile behaviour that makes it not work. Just as your first intervention here, chiding Boo for 'crying' because obviously has an issue.

Your inane interventions make you sound like Goyle.

Did you ask V8Gaz what I am on about? If not you should butt out before you look even more stupid.

[tarbera]

1. Its the first step to getting onto the Board of Directors should one wish to do so.
2. You have regular meetings with the BoD and the opportunity to spend time discussing in detail any issues or suggestions. That's a much more productive route to change than 'he said she said' arguments on a public forum.
3. The BoD will consult (clue is in the name!) with the CC on issues and agree a strategy with them. CC input is very valuable during such consultation.

So V8 what if I'm happy being a keyboard warrior do I need to join the CC ?

[tractor]

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1. Its the first step to getting onto the Board of Directors should one wish to do so.
2. You have regular meetings with the BoD and the opportunity to spend time discussing in detail any issues or suggestions. That's a much more productive route to change than 'he said she said' arguments on a public forum.
3. The BoD will consult (clue is in the name!) with the CC on issues and agree a strategy with them. CC input is very valuable during such consultation.

Except for it doesn't work in reality.

How is your scientific study into Opt Out abuse going? This is just a case in point.

[tarbera]

So how do you square that with yours and Tarbera's claim that if you join the CC you can change the organisation.

It also makes you more attractive to the opposite sex

Also some stuff here

https://www.ipse.co.uk/news/2015/ips...urself-forward

[v8gaz]

So how do you square that with yours and Tarbera's claim that if you join the CC you can change the organisation.

1. Its the first step to getting onto the Board of Directors should one wish to do so.
2. You have regular meetings with the BoD and the opportunity to spend time discussing in detail any issues or suggestions. That's a much more productive route to change than 'he said she said' arguments on a public forum.
3. The BoD will consult (clue is in the name!) with the CC on issues and agree a strategy with them. CC input is very valuable during such consultation.

[tractor]

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Rubbish; perhaps first understand how IPSE works before throwing accusations around.

CC are not management. They are there to represent the ordinary member to the management and have zero authority over anything. On here I speak as a committed IPSE member and always have done, mostly in order to expose the complete bollocks some people post about what IPSE is trying to do and why.

Sorry if that's a bit hard to understand but hey...

So how do you square that with yours and Tarbera's claim that if you join the CC you can change the organisation.