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Originally posted by Bill84 View PostI have just started a new job, I have my assignment contract, being assessed by a respectable professional firm to see whether if I fall outside or inside ir35. They say that according to the assignment I have provided, they have checked the clauses to see if I fall outside ir35 and they say those are strongly covered and that the contract falls outside IR35, and I would need to pay some money to get a review. My question is, can I rely on what they say, ie if they say I fall outside IR35 and I have their review, does that mean that I am definitely outside IR35.
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Bill
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Originally posted by DanielGenieAccountancy View PostI'm sure they'll give options of what to do should it not be IR35 friendly.
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostBit late to be re-writing contracts now that he's started the role.
I'm sure they'll give options of what to do should it not be IR35 friendly.
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Originally posted by DanielGenieAccountancy View PostHi Bill,
I can put you in touch with some IR35 review specialists who offer to re-write contracts right through to defence cases against Hector
Just PM me and I'll pass on your details
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Originally posted by Bill84 View PostI have just started a new job, I have my assignment contract, being assessed by a respectable professional firm to see whether if I fall outside or inside ir35. They say that according to the assignment I have provided, they have checked the clauses to see if I fall outside ir35 and they say those are strongly covered and that the contract falls outside IR35, and I would need to pay some money to get a review. My question is, can I rely on what they say, ie if they say I fall outside IR35 and I have their review, does that mean that I am definitely outside IR35.
Thanks
Bill
I can put you in touch with some IR35 review specialists who offer to re-write contracts right through to defence cases against Hector
Just PM me and I'll pass on your details
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Originally posted by JRCT View PostI don't think it is pedantry to pick up on the word 'job'. I think you need to get into a mindset and these, seemingly, small things help to do that.
On the project I'm on we are all asked to fill in a sheet every two weeks to indicate where we will be on any given day. I'm just about the only contractor that puts 'Out of Office' when I'm not going to be in. I despair at the number who put 'Annual Leave'.
What's annual about it?
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I don't think it is pedantry to pick up on the word 'job'. I think you need to get into a mindset and these, seemingly, small things help to do that.
On the project I'm on we are all asked to fill in a sheet every two weeks to indicate where we will be on any given day. I'm just about the only contractor that puts 'Out of Office' when I'm not going to be in. I despair at the number who put 'Annual Leave'.
What's annual about it?
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostIndeed, the word job is synonymous for a whole manner of workplace engagements:
- The police officer I know told me how many jobs he had to attend last night
- My window cleaner didn't want a brew this morning because he'd got to get off to another job
- My builder friend has got a massive job on at the minute, doesn't have time for anything else
- When I consulted, I'd give my wife a heads up if I'd got a job miles away
And the above aren't even made up. To pretend job is synonymous with employment is just daft
If you haven't, and you don't know what HMRC might look for in an investigation, and you unwittingly use the wrong one then you'll be in trouble.
I suspect that the OP is the latter rather than the former.
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Originally posted by TheCyclingProgrammer View PostI think you're being unnecessarily pedantic, even for you . Lots of people refer to contracts as jobs, or gigs etc, not just in IT but in other trades too.
- The police officer I know told me how many jobs he had to attend last night
- My window cleaner didn't want a brew this morning because he'd got to get off to another job
- My builder friend has got a massive job on at the minute, doesn't have time for anything else
- When I consulted, I'd give my wife a heads up if I'd got a job miles away
And the above aren't even made up. To pretend job is synonymous with employment is just daft
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBecause you think your contract is a job.
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostIR35 is to differentiate between those in business and 'disguised employees'. My company just started delivering services to a new client - vs - I just started a new job
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Originally posted by Bill84 View PostWhat do you mean by "I can tell you that youve failed"
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Originally posted by Bill84 View PostWhat do you mean by "I can tell you that youve failed"
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Originally posted by Bill84 View PostWhat do you mean by "I can tell you that youve failed"
You need to understand that the status of a particular contract depends entirely on your working practices, and a review of the contract (and, ideally, a description of your working practices) is simply a qualified opinion and applies only insofar as the contract and any other information you provide is a complete and accurate reflection of your working practices. Professional opinions vary. There are absolutely no guarantees about the status of a particular contract until you have a tribunal decision, at which point it's obviously too late. Thus, you should certainly have a contract review as part of the due diligence of assessing your status, but you should also be mindful of your working practices going forward. You may also choose to join IPSE+ or take out other forms of insurance to mitigate against the costs of an investigation and its outcome.
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