Outside IR35

[vwdan]

I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic, even for you . Lots of people refer to contracts as jobs, or gigs etc, not just in IT but in other trades too.

Indeed, the word job is synonymous for a whole manner of workplace engagements:

• The police officer I know told me how many jobs he had to attend last night
• My window cleaner didn't want a brew this morning because he'd got to get off to another job
• My builder friend has got a massive job on at the minute, doesn't have time for anything else
• When I consulted, I'd give my wife a heads up if I'd got a job miles away

And the above aren't even made up. To pretend job is synonymous with employment is just daft

[TheFaQQer]

Indeed, the word job is synonymous for a whole manner of workplace engagements:

• The police officer I know told me how many jobs he had to attend last night
• My window cleaner didn't want a brew this morning because he'd got to get off to another job
• My builder friend has got a massive job on at the minute, doesn't have time for anything else
• When I consulted, I'd give my wife a heads up if I'd got a job miles away

And the above aren't even made up. To pretend job is synonymous with employment is just daft

If you have done the research and understand what makes a contract inside or outside IR35, then switching the word "job" and "contract" isn't a big deal.

If you haven't, and you don't know what HMRC might look for in an investigation, and you unwittingly use the wrong one then you'll be in trouble.

I suspect that the OP is the latter rather than the former.

[JRCT]

I don't think it is pedantry to pick up on the word 'job'. I think you need to get into a mindset and these, seemingly, small things help to do that.

On the project I'm on we are all asked to fill in a sheet every two weeks to indicate where we will be on any given day. I'm just about the only contractor that puts 'Out of Office' when I'm not going to be in. I despair at the number who put 'Annual Leave'.

What's annual about it?

[jamesbrown]

I don't think it is pedantry to pick up on the word 'job'. I think you need to get into a mindset and these, seemingly, small things help to do that.

On the project I'm on we are all asked to fill in a sheet every two weeks to indicate where we will be on any given day. I'm just about the only contractor that puts 'Out of Office' when I'm not going to be in. I despair at the number who put 'Annual Leave'.

What's annual about it?

All this is perfectly true - attitude matters - but I also wouldn't overdo the extrapolation from a relatively innocuous term. At least the OP is asking appropriate questions and having their contract reviewed so, while I agree that poor choice terminology can allude to a questionable mindset, I wouldn't over-egg this, especially in a forum that is intended to provide advice and increase the collective consciousness among n00bs (and hence reduce the need for excessive legislation in the long-term). Scaring away the most egregious of muppets is fine, of course...

[Dan@OrangeGenie]

I have just started a new job, I have my assignment contract, being assessed by a respectable professional firm to see whether if I fall outside or inside ir35. They say that according to the assignment I have provided, they have checked the clauses to see if I fall outside ir35 and they say those are strongly covered and that the contract falls outside IR35, and I would need to pay some money to get a review. My question is, can I rely on what they say, ie if they say I fall outside IR35 and I have their review, does that mean that I am definitely outside IR35.
Thanks
Bill

Hi Bill,

I can put you in touch with some IR35 review specialists who offer to re-write contracts right through to defence cases against Hector

Just PM me and I'll pass on your details

[TheFaQQer]

Hi Bill,

I can put you in touch with some IR35 review specialists who offer to re-write contracts right through to defence cases against Hector

Just PM me and I'll pass on your details

Bit late to be re-writing contracts now that he's started the role.

[Dan@OrangeGenie]

Bit late to be re-writing contracts now that he's started the role.

True, I thought an overview of what they do may help.

I'm sure they'll give options of what to do should it not be IR35 friendly.

[jamesbrown]

I'm sure they'll give options of what to do should it not be IR35 friendly.

Yes, lube comes in several flavours.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

I have just started a new job, I have my assignment contract, being assessed by a respectable professional firm to see whether if I fall outside or inside ir35. They say that according to the assignment I have provided, they have checked the clauses to see if I fall outside ir35 and they say those are strongly covered and that the contract falls outside IR35, and I would need to pay some money to get a review. My question is, can I rely on what they say, ie if they say I fall outside IR35 and I have their review, does that mean that I am definitely outside IR35.
Thanks
Bill

You should also consider whether or not the contract you've been given is wholly representative of your working practices - if it isn't then the contract being written to be outside IR35 means squat

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

You should also consider whether or not the contract you've been given is wholly representative of your working practices - if it isn't then the contract being written to be outside IR35 means squat

If only the inverse was true too (as far as HMRC is concerned anyway)...