One of the rare ones? Outside IR35

[ChimpMaster]

Just to let you guys know that I have been given my determination as outside IR35.

This isn't something that happened easily. And it isn't something that happened overnight. I've been planning for the new Off Payroll rules for at least 4 years, and even before then I've done my best to be outside. It's not easy, given the blurred lines that HMRC like to draw. Along with strong contract terms, I've had to enforce my 'outside' working conditions even though it's meant arguing with the client's IT director at times.

I had to educate the client and continue to force through all the evidence I had, to get the correct determination.

I've been at this client for 3 or so years now, each renewal with a specific, targeted objective. Contrary to the 'permitractor' jibes, the longer I have been here the more I have been wary of IR35 and the further I have worked myself into a position of independence from the client.

I'm at the tail end of my contracting career so this just helps me get over the line for the next few months. I have no idea what I will do after but it doesn't seem like there will be much of an economy left in the UK anyway.

Good luck to everyone.

[northernladuk]

Great news and good work.

[ladymuck]

Nice one!

[SimonMac]

Just to let you guys know that I have been given my determination as outside IR35.

This isn't something that happened easily. And it isn't something that happened overnight. I've been planning for the new Off Payroll rules for at least 4 years, and even before then I've done my best to be outside. It's not easy, given the blurred lines that HMRC like to draw. Along with strong contract terms, I've had to enforce my 'outside' working conditions even though it's meant arguing with the client's IT director at times.

I had to educate the client and continue to force through all the evidence I had, to get the correct determination.

I've been at this client for 3 or so years now, each renewal with a specific, targeted objective. Contrary to the 'permitractor' jibes, the longer I have been here the more I have been wary of IR35 and the further I have worked myself into a position of independence from the client.

I'm at the tail end of my contracting career so this just helps me get over the line for the next few months. I have no idea what I will do after but it doesn't seem like there will be much of an economy left in the UK anyway.

Good luck to everyone.

That is worth a

[Lance]

That's worth 35 bananas

[jamesbrown]

Contrary to the 'permitractor' jibes, the longer I have been here the more I have been wary of IR35 and the further I have worked myself into a position of independence from the client.

Indeed. The reality is that contract length is a weak indicator, providing you're a seasoned contractor who understands IR35. Conversely, no proper business turns down repeat business for a good client.

Well done!

[LondonManc]

Indeed. The reality is that contract length is a weak indicator, providing you're a seasoned contractor who understands IR35. Conversely, no proper business turns down repeat business for a good client.

Well done!

This - it's behaviours over the stay that I've always been wary about. Sometimes referring to yourself as a "contracting scumbag" can do wonders for being treated differently!

[rambaugh]

A rare win in these dark times! Good work.

[jk3838]

yep, me too, received my outside SDS on Saturday morning, so had an extra lager for breakfast

Learned a lot from people on here, and am grateful to those more in the know than me, who imparted their knowledge to enable me to 'fight my corner'

Like the OP it's not been easy, has taken time, and I had to put my neck on the block a few times, like arranging meetings with the client at director level to push the suggestion that they needed to bring in an IR35 compliance specialist (always a fine balance between achieving what is needed whilst not coming across as a pain in butt and getting walked) and sticking to my guns a time or two to remain compliant

I've been building up an 'outside' defence along the way, and the more I've got the client to understand the importance of doing so, the easier it's become to maintain that compliance, (rather than letting things slip through complacency over time)

Working with a sensible client has been key and meant that eventually they brought in outside expert help, and we got proper individual assessments (not everyone has been found outside, but those that really are operating outside have been) Just wish more of British industry were willing to do the same

[WordIsBond]

Great news!

I'm going to guess that the contractors who are direct are going to have more of these than those who are through agents.