Originally posted by Andy Hallett
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Originally posted by Andy Hallett View PostAs someone alluded to above, these are quite wide and general clauses. This feedback will prompt me to review these clauses to make them more relevant if appropriate.
At this point I will take all of your advice, and now seek qualified legal opinion.Comment
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Originally posted by NomDePlum View PostThat sounds like a 'Yes' to also being related to off-payroll liabilities Andy. Am I mis-interpreting that? Also there was a previous comment that alluded to these clauses being pretty ineffective/unenforceable. What's your take o that?
And, as has also been alluded to (if indirectly), the agencies and clients need to protect themselves from the cowboys on our side as well; especially those who prefer not to engage on an out-and-out B2B basis and think they want (or need) things like gentle notice periods and guaranteed work.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostAll clauses are enforceable if both sides have agreed to them... It's whether or not they are risky or onerous to one side, in which case they should be negotiated down before signing the contract.
And, as has also been alluded to (if indirectly), the agencies and clients need to protect themselves from the cowboys on our side as well; especially those who prefer not to engage on an out-and-out B2B basis and think they want (or need) things like gentle notice periods and guaranteed work.Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostAll clauses are enforceable if both sides have agreed to them... It's whether or not they are risky or onerous to one side, in which case they should be negotiated down before signing the contract.
And, as has also been alluded to (if indirectly), the agencies and clients need to protect themselves from the cowboys on our side as well; especially those who prefer not to engage on an out-and-out B2B basis and think they want (or need) things like gentle notice periods and guaranteed work.
In the case I asked about specifically (off-payroll) your answer implies that these clauses move the liability from end-client to the Ltd company particularly if there is a similar clause in the higher contract between the end-client and the Agent. Or am I reading this wrong?
If so then pretty scary and not really something that can be explained away by just citing 'Cowboys' as the end-client and agency now have at least as much responsibility in these regards now as anyone.Comment
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Originally posted by NomDePlum View PostWhich strongly implies that the OP should not accept these clausesComment
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I always go direct, and currently have more work than I can handle. But I'd just like to say that if I'm ever looking to go through an agent or place one of my employees through an agent, this thread, while quite amusing, also makes me think Andy Hallett is the first person I'd contact to see if he's got anything on.Comment
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Yeah but he's got work managing an group of agencies. He'd put you on to the account managers and drones and you are back to square one. But I know what you mean.Last edited by northernladuk; 4 April 2017, 07:07.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYeah he's got work managing an agency. He'd put you on to the account managers and drones and you are back to square one.
We've been on a journey the last few years to put our customers at the heart of everything we do. We have introduced an NPS system and things like promotions and appraisals take these scores and comments into account, not just how much cash someone has brought it.
We also have been very careful about the culture we create. This extends to the people we hire, the values we hold and the opportunities we give to our people. This Employer Value Proposition means that we look past the bottom line.
Companies that simply focus on profit will be average. Companies that focus on their customers and their staff are generally the most successful, the profits logically follow. With 5000 U.K. recruitment firms starting each year it is a congested market.
So whilst I agree not everything we do will be perfect, we are closer that when I first started posting on here 4-5 years ago and will continue on that journey. As always I always value feedback on how we can be a better company.Last edited by Andy Hallett; 4 April 2017, 07:47.Comment
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Originally posted by Andy Hallett View PostAs always I always value feedback on how we can be a better company.
Though this thread was amusing..."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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