Blanket decisions of inside IR35

[marius123]

The irony - today I got a call from a contractor within HMRC saying they had made the blanket decision for inside too

Yep. HMRC's digital transformation guys declared all contractors inside last Monday. They're losing a lot of talented people.

[northernladyuk]

Yep. HMRC's digital transformation guys declared all contractors inside last Monday. They're losing a lot of talented quislings.

FTFY

[Andy Hallett]

We've just had a trust refuse to deal with PSC's to be fair the first we had.

[lucyclarityumbrella]

A little panic in this last week is what we are seeing at this moment in time

[John Lane]

Capita

All contracts ended by capita then any renewal by umbrella only - sort of blanket decision, but not.?...

[LoughriggFell]

Similar situation, one agency terminated all contracts on the 19th and restarted as an umbrella on 20th stating

'In some cases PSC’s, whether paid gross or net will not be allowed in the supply chain'

I guess you don't need to take "reasonable care" if you just ban PSC's.

[LondonManc]

We've just had a trust refuse to deal with PSC's to be fair the first we had.

Is that despite you trying to educate them?

They do realise it will be cheaper for them to take outside IR35 PSCs on, don't they?

[gables]

Are we seeing a similar situation to that in the 70s where a rule\legislation (I'm unclear on the details) was introduced which effectively meant trading as a sole trader via an agent became impossible as they insisted on Ltd?

[jamesbrown]

I guess you don't need to take "reasonable care" if you just ban PSC's.

Right. If a PSB is looking to make a blanket inside determination, or an agency is looking to avoid any risk, this is how they will/should to it, mechanically, given the new reasonable care provision.

[northernladyuk]

Just talking to a former contractor colleague at an NHS Trust.

He pointed out that the legislation has a due care clause which doesn't allow them to blanket review the roles, which is what they previously did (i.e. all inside IR35). He is outside IR35 now.