IR35 in PS gets reported in the media...

[SueEllen]

Yet they're still targeting the wrong people - clients get off the hook without paying business NICs whatever approach they ramp up.

That's what the unions are fighting for.

[eek]

Yet they're still targeting the wrong people - clients get off the hook without paying business NICs whatever approach they ramp up.

Lucy posted a comment on linkedin about the unite union article - and the more I think about it the more I think unite is right.

For supply teachers the deal used to be £140 a day - paid by agency / school as PAYE.
Now its £150-160 a day (if lucky) paid via umbrella.

What it should be is still advertised at £140 a day. The Umbrella fees and employers NI shouldn't be being included in the advertised total (they aren't when you advertise a salary) and they should never been seen by the supply teacher...

I wonder if the correct approach would be for unison to continually complain to the advertising standards board and for legislation that states that umbrella fees and employers NI should be paid by the employer....

[LondonManc]

Lucy posted a comment on linkedin about the unite union article - and the more I think about it the more I think unite is right.

For supply teachers the deal used to be £140 a day - paid by agency / school as PAYE.
Now its £150-160 a day (if lucky) paid via umbrella.

What it should be is still advertised at £140 a day. The Umbrella fees and employers NI shouldn't be being included in the advertised total (they aren't when you advertise a salary) and they should never been seen by the supply teacher...

I wonder if the correct approach would be for unison to continually complain to the advertising standards board and for legislation that states that umbrella fees and employers NI should be paid by the employer....

Think about that in the contract market for a second....

It would be glorious, but would those figures ever get seen?

[PurpleGorilla]

Chasing the little people when the big corporates and super wealthy avoid huge amounts of tax.

[MarkT]

Chasing the little people when the big corporates and super wealthy avoid huge amounts of tax.

It's easier, quicker and lets people feel important when they inform on their neighbours.

[eek]

Think about that in the contract market for a second....

It would be glorious, but would those figures ever get seen?

The issue always boils down to the fact we are similar (but significantly different) to others.

Hence agencies use the things we like (gross pay advertisements) to abuse their position in the market to advertise higher rates of pay that a supply teacher will never actually see. Said supply teacher goes joins the books of the agency offering the higher pay rate and is then trapped by t&cs and umbrella fees that encourage you to stay...

The way we work means that other agencies are using our working methods and are tricking other people into using them. That is really at least half the reason for the current crack down.