How will this work in practice?

[breaktwister]

So cool to post nothing of value, well done friend. No wonder your post count is so high if you pipe up just to try and insult folks who don't have things as worked out as you.

[Semtex]

So cool to post nothing of value, well done friend. No wonder your post count is so high if you pipe up just to try and insult folks who don't have things as worked out as you.

if you read his posts most are of no substance at all, just digs at people. I ignore his posts completely

[northernladuk]

So cool to post nothing of value, well done friend. No wonder your post count is so high if you pipe up just to try and insult folks who don't have things as worked out as you.

And your posts are helping how?

[northernladuk]

if you read his posts most are of no substance at all, just digs at people. I ignore his posts completely

That would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[b r]

Just a thought, but how will a contractor know that the monies (tax and NI) deducted are actually going to HMRC - and been recorded correctly?

And yes, I'm aware of RTI but how would you definitely know without waiting on the end-of-year P60 - oh, presumably it is a P60, or something else?

Something else, will the contractor get an actual payslip?

[cojak]

Just a thought, but how will a contractor know that the monies (tax and NI) deducted are actually going to HMRC - and been recorded correctly?

And yes, I'm aware of RTI but how would you definitely know without waiting on the end-of-year P60 - oh, presumably it is a P60, or something else?

Something else, will the contractor get an actual payslip?

All very good questions to which the answer is....

...nobody has a clue. You'd think that the agencies would be able to tell their contractors this, wouldn't you?

The only way to be sure of the above would be to join a legitimate umbrella- they've always worked like that.

[b r]

But what if the contract is directly with the public sector organisation (then their payroll would be processing it)?

[HugeWhale]

Do you not need a National Insurance number to pay NIC? How can a business pay NIC and Personal Income tax via PAYE as it it were an individual? The whole thing is bonkers. Also, contract law in the UK has been build up over hundreds of years and these rules fly in the face of a lot of it. This should be an easy win in court for a good lawyer. HMRC simply don't have the powers to regulate how businesses interact with each other in this way.

Yes they do. HMRC are part of the government. The government controls parliament. Legally there is nothing that parliament can not do.
If they lose a legal challenge they can change the law and make it retrospective if they like. You can't beat these guys, but if you're fleet of foot you can stay a step ahead of them.

[malvolio]

But what if the contract is directly with the public sector organisation (then their payroll would be processing it)?

I'm sure I answered that somewhere very recently. Basically the tax is passed on to HMRC by whoever is paying the worker. If you're direct, then it will be the client. How they do it is their problem.

[5000]

Just a thought, but how will a contractor know that the monies (tax and NI) deducted are actually going to HMRC - and been recorded correctly?

And yes, I'm aware of RTI but how would you definitely know without waiting on the end-of-year P60 - oh, presumably it is a P60, or something else?

Something else, will the contractor get an actual payslip?

In theory you could take control of "fee payer" responsibilities under the regs. Write to the fee payer to be saying the "worker" has left the company and has joined a new company has been subcontracted and services will continue as normal. Assumes an unfettered right to substitute/subcontract and will require a bit more paperwork