Results of the public sector consultation is up

[jonnyboy]

You are just throwing your toys out the pram. Contracting goes on. One of two things happens: either you have a lower income (and have to live like a permie including building warchests) or you put your rate up and recover lost income out of taxed fees.

And the award for missing the point goes to this man!

Would you be happy with paying the same National Insurance as everybody else, but not being allowed to use the NHS?
What about entering a 100m race, but being told you had to do it in bare feet whilst everybody else got to wear trainers?
What about being forced to pay road tax, but you (just you) are not allowed to drive on motorways?

The point is we could take the simple route and all double our day rates - problem solved. But the changes are forcing us to be the same as a permi, but with NONE of the rights. IF a permi is sacked, he gets redundancy, a right to ask why, to take his employer to court, to get paid if he is sick. We get nothing. Politicians always like to throw around the word "fair".. so which part of that is fair?

If anything, they are making it more complex for us - as our accounting and salaries will become a nightmare. We will take to deal with a new system of tax credits from the agency who deducts the tax as a week 1 40% rate, and then reapply this against any salary from our companies.

[eek]

Except for the fact it's a contract with your limited and not you.

Employment tribunals as with HMRC will happily look through artificial entities.

And while I haven't chatted with my union mates yet (may see one on Friday lunchtime) I suspect the actual law will be very interesting for them

[SussexSeagull]

Does tend to get overlooked that a fair amount of contractors in the Public Sector probably go through Umbrellas already so will hardly notice this.

[sal]

Does tend to get overlooked that a fair amount of contractors in the Public Sector probably go through Umbrellas already so will hardly notice this.

Which doesn't change the fact that a fair amount are not using umbrella..

Also doesn't change the fact that the scatter gun approach is harming genuine businesses in many cases.

[SueEllen]

Employment tribunals as with HMRC will happily look through artificial entities.

I was going to post something similar.

All courts in the UK will happily look through artificial entities, and if the law doesn't meet what the judge requires they are vocal about it.

And while I haven't chatted with my union mates yet (may see one on Friday lunchtime) I suspect the actual law will be very interesting for them

Though it doesn't help if contractors don't join the unions concerned so they can take on cases but I guess like with Uber and Deliveroo they will get members.

[SussexSeagull]

Which doesn't change the fact that a fair amount are not using umbrella..

Also doesn't change the fact that the scatter gun approach is harming genuine businesses in many cases.

Yes but you are talking like it is absolutely impossible to continue contracting in the public sector. It plainly obviously is as some people are doing it more or less on the same terms already.

[sal]

Yes but you are talking like it is absolutely impossible to continue contracting in the public sector. It plainly obviously is as some people are doing it more or less on the same terms already.

It might become, if the PS bodies star finding it harder and harder to find contractors for their projects and end up engaging the big consultancies to keep things "going". Once they sink their teeths in, it will be hard to go back...

But isn't that the whole point of the entire exercise...

[SueEllen]

It might become, if the PS bodies star finding it harder and harder to find contractors for their projects and end up engaging the big consultancies to keep things "going". Once they sink their teeths in, it will be hard to go back...

But isn't that the whole point of the entire exercise...

The big consultancies then have to find people with the right skills who will happily work for them including in the middle of nowhere.

From the people I've had contact with in the past 18 months this is a bit of a problem....

[LondonManc]

The big consultancies then have to find people with the right skills who will happily work for them including in the middle of nowhere.

From the people I've had contact with in the past 18 months this is a bit of a problem....

Given the BBC documentary on it, I don't think they'll have problem finding green and keen graduates who can use Powerpoint.

[sal]

The big consultancies then have to find people with the right skills who will happily work for them including in the middle of nowhere.

From the people I've had contact with in the past 18 months this is a bit of a problem....

Plenty of people on the sub-continent eager for their T2 visas...