Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[northernladuk]

Because the tool is a guide to help them make a decision but there are other factors the client has to consider and one of those is attitude to risk.

Another factor is Incompetence as well sadly...

[NHS1979]

Because the tool is a guide to help them make a decision but there are other factors the client has to consider and one of those is attitude to risk.

Spot on - I told the client that was my take on things. Yes HR are wrong on the substitution business just based on presence of an agency, but it speaks volumes for their attitudes towards the rules. Apparently they'd done 50 assessments in a row and all deemed inside. They don't understand the rules and have zero inclination to say anyone is outside. No point arguing with people like that

[northernladuk]

But you are still here telling us all about it.

[NHS1979]

But you are still here telling us all about it.

And you're still here being a painful forum troll intent on stopping contractors from talking to each other.

[northernladuk]

And you're still here being a painful forum troll intent on stopping contractors from talking to each other.

I'm not stopping contractors....

[SueEllen]

And you're still here being a painful forum troll intent on stopping contractors from talking to each other.

Are you PC's sockie?

[Andy Hallett]

Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

So, client ran the tool with HR today. My role came out Outside IR35. But, then HR dept came up with the following: "both Xxx and xxx are via Real Staffing agency therefore they will be inside IR35 as the Agency currently pay them and will not be able to send someone else in to undertake the work." Why bother to do assessments if you think every person via an agency is caught inside?

Client is frantic and seeking another meeting with them - I'm back to my original plan - I.e. If you think it's inside I'm gone! Can't be bothered to tell HR they're wrong - I'm sure the agency will try when I tell them

Real Staffing are part of our group. In a private message a couple of weeks ago I offered to discuss it with you, an offer you have so far declined.

I find it bizarre that you'd rather discuss it on a public forum rather than directly with probably the one person who could actually help you here!

So PM me your name so I can earn my money.

[jamesbrown]

Real Staffing are part of our group. In a private message a couple of weeks ago I offered to discuss it with you, an offer you have so far declined.

I find it bizarre that you'd rather discuss it on a public forum rather than directly with probably the one person who could actually help you here!

So PM me your name so I can earn my money.

Astonishing.

[eek]

Astonishing.

To be honest I'm not surprised. While we know exactly who Andy is its not other posters may not.

And the reaction from the HR department is exactly what I would expect. After all the department is a resources department its not a personal department and that name change tells you exactly how they think...

[Andy Hallett]

We've actually found HR and Finance departments open to evidence based discussions. In a lot of ways this whole topic has given us a real ability to show the value of an agency (insert jokes here)