Ukip! Ukip! Ukip!

[VectraMan]

I agree with you there. I think a lot of their core voting base are not happy with the way that they've acted in the coalition, reneging on promises, kow-towing the Tory line, etc. and have probably voted Labour, Green or not at all...

That's part of it but I think also the LibDems were always a safe or protest vote because they were never going to get into government. UKIP have taken over that position. With all the talk of shaking up the establishment and other nonsense you have to assume that certainly a large proportion of UKIP voters don't actually want UKIP.

[malvolio]

Don't get me wrong: I fully understand and largely agree with the border management issues and anti-EU bureaucracy related stuff. That does not mean that UKIP represent a valid and electable solution, only that they represent a valid viewpoint of a lot of the country that the Westmonster village has chosen to ignore. I really hope that will change, and quickly.

But the UKIP vote - actually, let's be honest about it, the Farage vote since the rest of the party is largely invisible until they make some enormous fool of themselves and get binned - is a means to an end, in the same way that Salmond's idiot and hugely unfair referendum is merely a route to Devo Max.

What really depresses me is the choice of leadership we have at present - a detached PR-biased weakling, an incompetent and delusional fool in hock to his unelected paymasters, someone who changes his mind at a whim depending which way his own self-interest is blowing, a sham "man of the people" who much prefers good wine and Havanas to ciggies and a pint and a master politician whose only intention is to become the big fish in his own little pond by whatever means.

Sad, really, isn't it.

[cojak]

Hiya DP

[d000hg]

Well a lot of people who fell for the UKIP=Racist biggots campaign should be humbled today after the voters have spoken very clearly.

Why is that? There are two possibilities here:

1. The UKIP=Racist bigots progaganda has been exposed as such
2. The voters have spoken very clearly, by demonstrating they are racist bigots

That a large number of Britons are racist bigots is not out of the question.

[darmstadt]

Why is that? There are two possibilities here:

1. The UKIP=Racist bigots progaganda has been exposed as such
2. The voters have spoken very clearly, by demonstrating they are racist bigots

That a large number of Britons are racist bigots is not out of the question.

Mind you, this chap got voted in: Ukip councillor under investigation over racist and homophobic comments | Politics | theguardian.com

Farage has been banging on for the last couple of years that background checks would be made yet this is still happening. Surely anyone who was standing would have been thoroughly vetted first?

[xoggoth]

That a large number of Britons are racist bigots is not out of the question

Look at attitudes and happenings around the world and the British are probably among the least racist and least bigoted you will find anywhere. Nowhere else in Europe has lower levels of anti-Semitism and much of that we do have is not by the white British. Nowhere else has such low support for its main "far right" party which itself had to abandon some further right policies still common elsewhere to get even that little acceptance. Few places have so little violence or abuse directed against minorities.

Trouble is that the perfectly natural human desire to be among those like us with common culture and interests gets called racism or bigotry ONLY when it is by whites. For anyone else, migrating to areas where their own kind live and transforming them into mini versions of their own nations, retaining their own culture, language and traditions is respected and even positively promoted by the idea of multiculturalism.

Understandably, many people are sick to death of the double standards that apply. And if resentment sometime turns to real racism it is hardly surprising.

[tractor]

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Why is that? There are two possibilities here:

1. The UKIP=Racist bigots progaganda has been exposed as such
2. The voters have spoken very clearly, by demonstrating they are racist bigots

That a large number of Britons are racist bigots is not out of the question.

Or that many have now realised that false dichotomies are nothing to be afraid of. Playing the race card is soooo last decade.

People are becoming less afraid of PC bulltulip such that a real debate will soon be able to take place.

[darmstadt]

Or that many have now realised that false dichotomies are nothing to be afraid of. Playing the race card is soooo last decade.

People are becoming less afraid of PC bulltulip such that a real debate will soon be able to take place.

Or maybe people are now becoming more racist which might account for the popularity of far right parties?

[malvolio]

Or maybe people are now becoming more racist which might account for the popularity of far right parties?

More likely most thinking people in Europe have twigged that a Federated EU is not where they want to go so are voting for anyone that promises to stop it happening. Whether they can or not is, of course, a whole other issue.

[DimPrawn]

Hiya DP

Hiya gorgeous