Is the Torygraph turning into the daily fail?

[Mich the Tester]

The deep rooted spiteful misogyny in the Islamic cultures around the world.

Right, OK, well you may have a point, but it's interesting you referred to Malala, who's a muslim campaigning to use Islam to improve women's rights. It surprises me that you, of all posters, would oversimplify the issues like that.

[xoggoth]

People who cast all comment on Islamism (the idea that all laws should be based on the supposed sayings of a 7th century prophet) as an attack on Muslims (followers of a religion) are in fact helping to confuse the two in peoples' minds.

We need to draw a clear distinction between the two but that should not stop us tackling the real problems of the first, resentment against a group only grows when political correctness prevents us from tackling the real problems within it.

[Gibbon]

Right, OK, well you may have a point, but it's interesting you referred to Malala, who's a muslim campaigning to use Islam to improve women's rights. It surprises me that you, of all posters, would oversimplify the issues like that.

Mitch, I have nothing against Islam per se, and if Malala can gain equal rights to men through Islam then good on her. What I object to is the pussy footing round in the west to a creeping misogyny on the back of Islam.

[SueEllen]

The deep rooted spiteful misogyny in the Islamic cultures around the world.

As a woman in the West in cultures that are predominantly judeo-christian should I paste headlines on domestic violence, judges sentencing, etc? As it gives a single story.

If I want to sell lots of newspapers or get lots of viewers for my 24 news channel then bad news stories on humans attract a lot of attention. Likewise good news stories on animals giving them human characteristics work as well.

[Gibbon]

As a woman in the West in cultures that are predominantly judeo-christian should I paste headlines on domestic violence, judges sentencing, etc? As it gives a single story.

That's individual actions, not state or religously sanctioned; that is a big difference.

[Mich the Tester]

That's individual actions, not state or religously sanctioned; that is a big difference.

Well Boko Haram´s actions certainly aren´t sanctioned by the Nigerian federal government or the Bornu state government. It wouldn't suprise me if tey're recieving funding from another country known for Islamic radicalism (Saudi Arabia perhaps) but still it probably isn't the state per se. I don't see it being sanctioned by Islamic leaders outside of Boko Haram either. Yes, there are problems within Islam, and there are muslims trying to tackle them, but I really think this mass kidnapping of girls has more to do with young lowlives who can't control their own primary urges and are using a mad interpretation of Islam to get their way.

[Gibbon]

Well Boko Haram´s actions certainly aren´t sanctioned by the Nigerian federal government or the Bornu state government. It wouldn't suprise me if tey're recieving funding from another country known for Islamic radicalism (Saudi Arabia perhaps) but still it probably isn't the state per se. I don't see it being sanctioned by Islamic leaders outside of Boko Haram either. Yes, there are problems within Islam, and there are muslims trying to tackle them, but I really think this mass kidnapping of girls has more to do with young lowlives who can't control their own primary urges and are using a mad interpretation of Islam to get their way.

I must disagree, I'm afraid, I see it as a more extreme manifestation of attitudes that prevail across much of the Islamic world and in some of our own urban areas. Did you see the GFM thing in Egypt the other night, in rural areas 91%!!!
It's to 'stop lust' in girls was one man's statement. UFB!!!!!

[Mich the Tester]

I must disagree, I'm afraid, I see it as a more extreme manifestation of attitudes that prevail across much of the Islamic world and in some of our own urban areas. Did you see the GFM thing in Egypt the other night, in rural areas 91%!!!
It's to 'stop lust' in girls was one man's statement. UFB!!!!!

Well yes, there is a problem in Islam, as I already said. But is this craziness going on in great big cities in the Islamic world or in the wealthier Islamic countries? Yes, but not much; in the turd world it's primarily rural inbreds like Abubakar Shekar; in Britain it's a few nutters who've grown up in cities where they fail, despite many others succeeding. As I said earlier, he and his lowlife chums are unlikely to attract and keep a relationship with a woman through their charm, good looks and wit; they need to subjugate women to stand a chance with them and they hate women because they've been rejected all their lives; Islam offers them that possibility in its extreme interpretations, but I'm convinced they'd use any religion or political idea that's prevalent in their region. Islam covers some of the parts of the world where there are huge numbers of young men with very little future.

[lilelvis2000]

Well yes, there is a problem in Islam, as I already said. But is this craziness going on in great big cities in the Islamic world or in the wealthier Islamic countries? Yes, but not much; in the turd world it's primarily rural inbreds like Abubakar Shekar; in Britain it's a few nutters who've grown up in cities where they fail, despite many others succeeding. As I said earlier, he and his lowlife chums are unlikely to attract and keep a relationship with a woman through their charm, good looks and wit; they need to subjugate women to stand a chance with them and they hate women because they've been rejected all their lives; Islam offers them that possibility in its extreme interpretations, but I'm convinced they'd use any religion or political idea that's prevalent in their region. Islam covers some of the parts of the world where there are huge numbers of young men with very little future.

We do see young men joing right wing groups in the UK, so why can't it happen elsewhere. And with a bit of a Saudi push. kaboom!

[vetran]

I must disagree, I'm afraid, I see it as a more extreme manifestation of attitudes that prevail across much of the Islamic world and in some of our own urban areas. Did you see the GFM thing in Egypt the other night, in rural areas 91%!!!
It's to 'stop lust' in girls was one man's statement. UFB!!!!!

have to agree to a point. Islam is young and many of its followers zealous just as Christians were a few hundred years ago. They did unspeakable things in the name of religion, now Christianity is the cornerstone of what many we would call civilised communities.

The reason why Christianity grew up and got less violent is the enlightenment provided by sharing of information and the resulting revulsion in the community to the insane methods used by the religion to retain control.

This will happen but we need to stop pandering to the nutters by treating them as the criminals they are and force the congregation to confront and denounce them.

We laugh now about the passages in the bible that accused homosexuals or non believers as obviously irrelevant twaddle. When most Muslims can identify similar passages / interpretations about women's rights etc and refute them then Islam will have come of age.

I look forward to W(omens)islam with hope.