Reply to: Is the Torygraph turning into the daily fail?

[Mich the Tester]

Some here seem to be ignoring the growing extremism of political Islamism all over the world.

No, not ignoring it; there is indeed a problem of goring extremism. At the other end of the spectrum there's a growing movement toward a more modern interpretation of Islam. I certainly don't object to discussing the problem of Islamic extremism, but I don't like oversimplifications.

[SueEllen]

I didn't used to want to send em all home. But changed my mind cycling home tonight. Some woman wearing a burka nearly ran me over - I reckon she missed me due to not having full vision.

Gosh you are that famous!

Or is it one of your exes?

[darmstadt]

It is a peace loving, moderate, compassionate religion that teaches respect for all.

Clearly there must be something else that creates the millions of deranged fruitloops that follow its teachings.

I presume we're talking about the Jedi Church here

[minestrone]

It is a peace loving, moderate, compassionate religion that teaches respect for all.

Clearly there must be something else that creates the millions of deranged fruitloops that follow its teachings.

[BrilloPad]

I didn't used to want to send em all home. But changed my mind cycling home tonight. Some woman wearing a burka nearly ran me over - I reckon she missed me due to not having full vision.

[lilelvis2000]

If they want to stop girls lusting why dont they just hire SASguru for the day?

WOuld you eat your commission if it worked?

[DodgyAgent]

I must disagree, I'm afraid, I see it as a more extreme manifestation of attitudes that prevail across much of the Islamic world and in some of our own urban areas. Did you see the GFM thing in Egypt the other night, in rural areas 91%!!!
It's to 'stop lust' in girls was one man's statement. UFB!!!!!

If they want to stop girls lusting why dont they just hire SASguru for the day?

[lilelvis2000]

Some here seem to be ignoring the growing extremism of political Islamism all over the world. Not just terrorists or extremist groups but governments. Take Malaysia for example, a nation that has always been seen as the most moderate of Islamic nations. Legislation is being pushed through that will criminalise use of the word Allah by others, although it has also been their word for god for centuries. Another recent ruling prevents non Muslims from being represented by anyone other than a Muslim lawyer in the Shariah courts. That's equality?

As for democracy, where does it exist in the Islamic world? Try looking at the details of the few that have elections, the chances of non Muslims getting above the lowest levels in government or the military in places like Pakistan, Bangladesh or the Maldives is zero. Or even Muslims of the "wrong" sort, the Maldives only allows Sunni Muslims to be citizens.

Throughout the Muslim world Islamic governments are becoming more extreme and more intolerant and there is a rising tide of violence against Christians and others. It was the archbishop of Canterbury, not Nick Griffin, who stated that Christians in the Middle East are being "attacked and massacred".

People really should try and check the facts from reliable sources rather than rely on illogical extrapolations about people they know.

I agree. send 'em all home. Though not forgetting that being muslim in some parts of the world is pretty tulip too. India, Burma, Mauritius, Israel.

[darmstadt]

I must disagree, I'm afraid, I see it as a more extreme manifestation of attitudes that prevail across much of the Islamic world and in some of our own urban areas. Did you see the GFM thing in Egypt the other night, in rural areas 91%!!!
It's to 'stop lust' in girls was one man's statement. UFB!!!!!

Quite right, just look at Ireland: Child Abuse Scandal: How the Irish Government protected the Catholic Church

[xoggoth]

Some here seem to be ignoring the growing extremism of political Islamism all over the world. Not just terrorists or extremist groups but governments. Take Malaysia for example, a nation that has always been seen as the most moderate of Islamic nations. Legislation is being pushed through that will criminalise use of the word Allah by others, although it has also been their word for god for centuries. Another recent ruling prevents non Muslims from being represented by anyone other than a Muslim lawyer in the Shariah courts. That's equality?

As for democracy, where does it exist in the Islamic world? Try looking at the details of the few that have elections, the chances of non Muslims getting above the lowest levels in government or the military in places like Pakistan, Bangladesh or the Maldives is zero. Or even Muslims of the "wrong" sort, the Maldives only allows Sunni Muslims to be citizens.

Throughout the Muslim world Islamic governments are becoming more extreme and more intolerant and there is a rising tide of violence against Christians and others. It was the archbishop of Canterbury, not Nick Griffin, who stated that Christians in the Middle East are being "attacked and massacred".

People really should try and check the facts from reliable sources rather than rely on illogical extrapolations about people they know.

[vetran]

Really? Not every one in the Not in the US and there are some in the UK like that as well In the UK case their funders and supporters made a mistake of coming on TV and talking to much....

We being the majority, not being everyone.

If you shouted burn the witch in a crowd now most people would laugh at you, 400 years they would have probably given you firewood!

Sue I live in Slough - My neighbours & friends are every colour & class but none are extreme and dangerous Christians, Muslims or Scientologists as far as I know, they wouldn't be my friends otherwise. If you talk to them their morals & values are similar to ours which is why so many want to come here and so many are welcomed individually.

The point was Islam is still young and Christianity was just as bad until it matured, we both still have nutters (I'm sure there are aethiest nutters as well) but its more common in Islam because more followers believe the preachers rather than the faith. As more of the congregation identify the extremists and show distaste and distance themselves & their faith the quicker the religion will mature.

Pussy footing around and allowing segregated lecture halls for Muslim speakers at a public venue etc will allow them to stay in the middle ages.

[SueEllen]

Who? Me?

Nope.

[Mich the Tester]

You are arguing with someone who only sees news stories as one dimensional.

Who? Me?

[SueEllen]

We do see young men joing right wing groups in the UK, so why can't it happen elsewhere. And with a bit of a Saudi push. kaboom!

You are arguing with someone who only sees news stories as one dimensional.

If they bothered to have conversations with people from different backgrounds or grew up with them, they would see that the media stereotypes are indeed stereotypes.

BTW Vetran not all my neighbours are White middle class but then I live in London.....

[vetran]

WTF?

Shot schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai used in controversial Kurl-On mattress advert depicting her 'bouncing back' from Taliban attack | Mail Online

Fury as shot schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai is used in 'distasteful' advert designed to sell mattresses containing cartoon images of her 'bouncing back' from Taliban attack
Cartoon features schoolgirl, then 14, falling backwards covered in blood
She then springs back to become the heroic campaigner that she now is
British-founded firm Ogilvy produced adverts for Indian bedding firm Kurl-On
A representative claimed the image was a tribute to the girl's courage
But one executive said: 'I'm ashamed to be in same industry as these people'
It is not clear whether Kurl-On approved the design or used the poster
Education rights activist was shot by a Taliban extremist in Pakistan in 2012