Taxation is theft

[xoggoth]

Tax is taken legally - in fact not paying it is illegal

Technically you are right but, by the same definition, every action by every dictator throughout history has been legal.

[d000hg]

Technically you are right but, by the same definition, every action by every dictator throughout history has been legal.

Until they lose a war and other countries decide those laws were not legal.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I seem to recall summit of the kind or was it the Napoleonic wars? Can't be arsed to look it up but shows you can't trust the F* state ever!

I thought it was WW1 or 2. I think i'm thinking of the Americans.

[SpontaneousOrder]

If a soldier kills someone in combat or a country applies the death penalty, this is not murder because murder is by definition killing someone illegally.

The semantics of law have nothing to do with morality. But you cannot call tax "theft" anymore than you can use the term "bedroom tax" seriously.

If that is the case, then all that happens is that the question regresses a level - if the definition of theft or murder depends on the law, then where does the law come from? My law considerers theft to be theft under all circumstances, i.e. taking what isn't yours by force is theft.

So when you say that taxation is legal... says who? It's illegal. it always has been and always will be.

[vetran]

If that is the case, then all that happens is that the question regresses a level - if the definition of theft or murder depends on the law, then where does the law come from? My law considerers theft to be theft under all circumstances, i.e. taking what isn't yours by force is theft.

So when you say that taxation is legal... says who? It's illegal. it always has been and always will be.

you can vote in a new Government that will abolish it, by definition it is with the mandate of the people. We may not like all tax but we know we have to pay it if our civilisation is going to survive.

You can pop down to the Thames and start throwing tea overboard but you might well be alone.

[Zero Liability]

If a soldier kills someone in combat or a country applies the death penalty, this is not murder because murder is by definition killing someone illegally.

Which just pushes the question back a step, like SO said...

How to pay 0% income tax ...

1) Become a celeb (via pop band, reality show etc.)
2) Appear in OK/Hello magazine
3) Spend 100% of earnings on large house, cars, luxury items, forget tax obligations
4) When income tax bill 'arrives' declare bankruptcy
5) Goto 2


Dr John Tribe:
"Celebs going bankrupt to avoid tax bills
It looks like this trend has been developing partly in response to the recent changes which mean that
an individual’s bankruptcy record is effectively wiped clean after just a year, reducing both the stigma attached to becoming insolvent and, at the same time, providing a solution to their monetary problems.
Also, I suspect that some celebrities are being advised that bankruptcy is the best way to avoid their tax bills. In 2008, former popstar Kerry Katona filed for bankruptcy after failing to pay the final £82,000 of a £417,000 tax bill and just five years later in 2013, she was declared bankrupt for a second time"

Become a public "servant". Your earnings are purely tax funded so you are a net tax recipient.

[SpontaneousOrder]

you can vote in a new Government that will abolish it, by definition it is with the mandate of the people.

How many people makes a new government legit? I'm my own governor. Perhaps I need a partner? A hundred? Thousand? Million?
What if the rest of the world vote to make slaves of the British - is that legit because they had a majority?

If truth or falsehood, right or wrong, legit or not is dependant on the mob in the majority, or perhaps so long as it's a mob you choose if you don't think it's be right for the world to enslave the British, then you cannot tell me that taxation is not theft - the best you can try to argue is that there is no such thing as theft. Ofcourse it'd also mean that there is no such thing as murder, rape, truth, false, up, down, left, right, or anything else that a mob could possibly ascribe an arbitrary decision to.

[Sysman]

Was it Pitt the Younger?

Yep

2d in the pound (0.8333%) on annual incomes over £60 and increased up to a maximum of 2s in the pound (10%) on incomes of over £200 (£170,542 in 2007).

That's proper old money, that is.

which means that <1% rate started at £51,162.60 at 2007 prices.

[tractor]

You think taxation is theft?

RTI is the precursor to the government taking ALL your salary and then sending you some back through the (privatised) post!

Mark my words!!!

[tractor]

If that is the case, then all that happens is that the question regresses a level - if the definition of theft or murder depends on the law, then where does the law come from? My law considerers theft to be theft under all circumstances, i.e. taking what isn't yours by force is theft.

So when you say that taxation is legal... says who? It's illegal. it always has been and always will be.

And a huge chunk of legislation is deception, passed by a government on one pretext but designed for another, just like the enabling legislation for IR35 was snuck in on a clause in the welfare reform bill and many MPs didn't even realise what they were voting for.