Immigrants cost Britain £3,000 a day each, says report

[Old Greg]

Does anyone have the figures for how much non-immigrants cost, using the same methodology?

Hey you're back

The cretins had the run of the forum in January

Welcome back!

Hello again, glad to see cretinwatch is regaining full strength!

Answer the ******* question!

I'd like to sat it's good to be back but I don't care enough about any of you to lie. Having a break was hugely productive so hopefully I'll not be around too much.

[Mich the Tester]

Does anyone have the figures for how much non-immigrants cost, using the same methodology?

Probably, but who would publish them?

Actually, here in NL there was a survey on behalf of the anti-immigrant party (Mr Wilders' chums) showing something similar to this one, that most immigrants cost money bla bla doo da. There are also figures showing that most of the tax burden is carried by the top 25% of earners, and indeed only a minority of people, regardless of ethnic or national origin are net contributors when you add up taxes paid and subtract benefits and services recieved. In other words it seems most non-immigrants cost money too. In fact, that should be pretty obvious from looking at the demographics, as only a minority are working, and although many people who have retired have made considerable contributions, even if they have privately funded pensions it's very difficult to work out whether they are costing or contributing once they get old and start using more public provisions.

But of course, I wouldn't expect the telgraph or the Wail to publish a story saying 'hey look most white Brits cost money too!'

[sasguru]

Hello again, glad to see cretinwatch is regaining full strength!

Even at full strength, holding off the hordes of cretins is a thankless and Sisyphean struggle.

[Mich the Tester]

Answer the ******* question!

I'd like to sat it's good to be back but I don't care enough about any of you to lie. Having a break was hugely productive so hopefully I'll not be around too much.

Question partly ******* answered in the limited time I have.

[Old Greg]

Probably, but who would publish them?

Actually, here in NL there was a survey on behalf of the anti-immigrant party (Mr Wilders' chums) showing something similar to this one, that most immigrants cost money bla bla doo da. There are also figures showing that most of the tax burden is carried by the top 25% of earners, and indeed only a minority of people, regardless of ethnic or national origin are net contributors when you add up taxes paid and subtract benefits and services recieved. In other words it seems most non-immigrants cost money too. In fact, that should be pretty obvious from looking at the demographics, as only a minority are working, and although many people who have retired have made considerable contributions, even if they have privately funded pensions it's very difficult to work out whether they are costing or contributing once they get old and start using more public provisions.

But of course, I wouldn't expect the telgraph or the Wail to publish a story saying 'hey look most white Brits cost money too!'

Someone needs to read up on surplus value, to understand that net contribution includes the profit made from labour.

[Old Greg]

Even at full strength, holding off the hordes of cretins is a thankless and Sisyphean struggle.

I was hoping that a good sharp frost would cull their numbers, but it has been a very mild winter.

[sasguru]

I was hoping that a good sharp frost would cull their numbers, but it has been a very mild winter.

True and the nanny state has ensured that the ones who bought houses on flood plains still survived.

[Mich the Tester]

Someone needs to read up on surplus value, to understand that net contribution includes the profit made from labour.

Someone can't be an expert on everything, but this particular someone doesn't particularly like looking at other human beings in terms of 'are you a net contributor or a net lossmaker?' so it's difficult for this particular someone to work out precisely what we should consider a 'contribution' to society and what we should consider as taking from society.

[mos]

Gosh I actually agree with SAS

"Foreign born" is a pointless term.

Someone who came here in 1940s but was born in India will be classed as "foreign born" according to statistical methods commonly used to collect data, but so would someone born in Poland who came here in 2007.

Sure, all Indian born came to UK in 1940 and contributed and all Polish born came to UK three months ago to claim benefits and live in council housing.

[Mich the Tester]

True and the nanny state has ensured that the ones who bought houses on flood plains still survived.

Ooh, that's nasty!

I bought a house on a flood plain too (The Netherlands is really just one big flood plain with the exception of a couple of incestuous villages near Belgium, full of people with six fingers on each hand), and I pay my dues to the local 'waterschap' and indeed the Dutch government to provide excellent, but obviously not infallible flood defences. Happily, those organisations employ very well trained people with top class equipment to manage water on our behalf. They also happily tell expanding town or city councils where to get off if they want to cut down trees to build great housing estates in places that are likely to get wet.