NSS - migrants displace workers.

[sasguru]

These are very different aspects of a skill set though. Your attractiveness to firms will depend on a balance of qualifications, experience and cost.

Probably why they're are willing to pay more for skilled contractors rather than highly qualified new graduates.

When I changed career, I got the qualifications first then took a pay cut to get the experience such that I could compete at the level I wanted to in the market. It took 3 years. I had to take close to a new grad's salary immediately after the MSc, about a quarter of what I earned before.

That's why I fooking have no sympathy with lazy whingers who want everything on a fooking plate.

And then you have people like vetran (sic) whose only achievement is to spout bollux on an internet forum. No wonder they believe in an entitlement culture.

[vetran]

And then you have people like sasguru (sick) whose only achievement is to spout bollux on an internet forum and live off their wife. No wonder they believe in an entitlement culture.

FTFY

[sasguru]

FTFY

I know I've got to you when you fall back on that tired old saw.
You do know you're a mediocre cretin, don't you?

[vetran]

I know I've got to you when you fall back on that tired old saw.
You do know you're a mediocre cretin, don't you?

hey if you can be personally rude and talk bollux knowing nothing about me it seems only polite to return the favour!

I have this mental image of you - some grizzled sad old git in a B&Q shed waiting for the dinner bell in the shared garden of his council flat supping diamond white bought with his giro, dreaming of being important. Cheer up Walter.

[sasguru]

I have this mental image of you - some grizzled sad old git in a B&Q shed waiting for the dinner bell in the shared garden of his council flat supping diamond white bought with his giro, dreaming of being important. Cheer up Walter.

Nice to see you have a good imagination.
I have this image of you as an unemployed git living in a ghetto in Slough (why would anyone choose that hellhole BTW?) typing bollux on the net.
And I don't need imagination because that's a fact.

[Goatfell]

When I changed career, I got the qualifications first then took a pay cut to get the experience such that I could compete at the level I wanted to in the market. It took 3 years. I had to take close to a new grad's salary immediately after the MSc, about a quarter of what I earned before.

That's why I fooking have no sympathy with lazy whingers who want everything on a fooking plate.

And then you have people like vetran (sic) whose only achievement is to spout bollux on an internet forum. No wonder they believe in an entitlement culture.

But you're not typical of the section of society that's under discussion here.
If someone has the aptitude to take high level qualifications and position themselves in a lucrative sector, then that same aptitude will allow them to forego a small short term gain for the larger and more sustainable long term, it's self selecting really.

If however, one is aiming to move up the ladder to a semi-skilled or skilled trade it's much more of an uphill struggle. Why would a firm employ, at NMW, an unskilled bod in whom they have to invest resources in before they become revenue producing rather than an overhead, when they can hire a fully skilled, experienced tradesman for the same wage?

This argument isn't new, it was put to me over 30 years ago by a hiring manager. The difference is that the pool of available labour then was the redundant workforce (many of whom are now pensioners) caused by the shrinking of the UK's manufacturing sector - now the pool is largely composed of immigrants.

[vetran]

Nice to see you have a good imagination.
I have this image of you as an unemployed git living in a ghetto in Slough (why would anyone choose that hellhole BTW?) typing bollux on the net.
And I don't need imagination because that's a fact.

as I said you know nothing about me.

[sasguru]

as I said you know nothing about me.

I know a great deal about you from your posts.

[Zero Liability]

This argument isn't new, it was put to me over 30 years ago by a hiring manager. The difference is that the pool of available labour then was the redundant workforce (many of whom are now pensioners) caused by the shrinking of the UK's manufacturing sector - now the pool is largely composed of immigrants.

It will be interesting to see if the touted "re-shoring" that is supposedly under-way will reverse that. China is in for a big slowdown soon, which may decelerate that if their labour force becomes cheaper as a result, however I don't think it'll halt the growth of their middle class and consequent narrowing of the wage differentials between here and there. British firms are also heavily involved in energy markets, and if fracking picks up here, that could also re-vitalise the manufacturing sector here, as most of Britain's energy involvement at present is offshore.

[vetran]

I know a great deal about you from your posts.

I have a stalker that believes what he reads on the internet - help me......