NSS - migrants displace workers.

[evilagent]

the greatest threat to british jobs is british shoppers.

as long as british shoppers dont dip into their pockets and buy british manufactured goods and services, their neighbours will be out of a job.

problem is, we have very few quality products or manufacturers, unless its tanks and jet fighters.

[Mich the Tester]

the greatest threat to british jobs is british shoppers.

as long as british shoppers dont dip into their pockets and buy british manufactured goods and services, their neighbours will be out of a job.

problem is, we have very few quality products or manufacturers, unless its tanks and jet fighters.

Britain produces very high quality consumer goods such as clothes, shoes, furniture, motorbikes, cars, bicycles, vacuum cleaners and other things, but due to the relatively high labour costs and costs of transport, there's little point in producing cheap stuff so it's only really profitable to produce high priced premium goods in the UK. Hence, Britain makes Rolls Royces, high end Jaguars, Bentleys, Barbour jackets, Grenson shoes and high value industrial stuff like JCBs, Airbus wings and armaments. There's plenty of demand from wealthy consumers here in NL and in other places for British made clothes, cars and furniture, but if they want cheapo stuff they'll buy it from China.

[sasguru]

Oh you have the monopoly on retraining yourself? You assume no one else has had to redevelop themselves in their career? The point is that is why we are fairly safe employment wise. The less intelligent or fortunate people don't have the option.

No its not OK, lets hope when they take to the streets they do your house first. You really are an opinionated, ignorant, selfish ahsole.

Oh really?
What part of "I have no fooking sympathy at all with lazy whining fookers who expect every-fooking-thing on a fooking plate." are you disagreeing with?

I had you down as a cretin not as a woolly-woofter-liberal-handout-merchant.

[Mich the Tester]

Oh you have the monopoly on retraining yourself? You assume no one else has had to redevelop themselves in their career? The point is that is why we are fairly safe employment wise. The less intelligent or fortunate people don't have the option.

You're right, they don't, and why not? Is it because of immigrants or because the education system has failed them and is still failing them? The people you're talking about need continuous education and possibly personal coaching to help them compete, not handouts and protectionism, because that will just keep them 'in their place', at the bottom, instead of helping them to do, at their own level of ability, what both Sasguru and I have done and you ahve probably done too; retrain, continually learn and compete for jobs against the rest of the world.

[vetran]

You're right, they don't, and why not? Is it because of immigrants or because the education system has failed them and is still failing them? The people you're talking about need continuous education and possibly personal coaching to help them compete, not handouts and protectionism, because that will just keep them 'in their place', at the bottom, instead of helping them to do, at their own level of ability, what both Sasguru and I have done and you ahve probably done too; retrain, continually learn and compete for jobs against the rest of the world.

how are you going to pay for that kind of training & coaching? We can't even get them to read & write.

Best thing to do is get them in a job and get the employers to develop them, make them associate with people who have got the gumption to move on. I have seen loads of employees blossom with decent support in the business. You aren't going to do that if you leave them to sink mainly or very rarely like JK Rowling swim by giving the bottom end jobs to go getter imports.

[Mich the Tester]

how are you going to pay for that kind of training & coaching? We can't even get them to read & write.

Best thing to do is get them in a job and get the employers to develop them, make them associate with people who have got the gumption to move on. I have seen loads of employees blossom with decent support in the business. You aren't going to do that if you leave them to sink mainly or very rarely like JK Rowling swim by giving the bottom end jobs to go getter imports.

By sending people on training as soon as they become, or preferably before they become unemployed, instead of waiting until they're long term unemployed. By diverting some of the spending on nice public sector pensions to educating younger people. By giving businesses considerable tax benefits to educate their people. By encouraging people to work AND study from an early age (16), so that they're contributing AND building their own futures. The standard model of education to age 18 and training to age 21/22 is broken; it doesn't work for a lot of people and it needs reform.

[vetran]

By sending people on training as soon as they become, or preferably before they become unemployed, instead of waiting until they're long term unemployed. By diverting some of the spending on nice public sector pensions to educating younger people. By giving businesses considerable tax benefits to educate their people. By encouraging people to work AND study from an early age (16), so that they're contributing AND building their own futures. The standard model of education to age 18 and training to age 21/22 is broken; it doesn't work for a lot of people and it needs reform.

agree with that but I doubt the government is up to it, have you seen the A4E fraud trial?

[Mich the Tester]

agree with that but I doubt the government is up to it, have you seen the A4E fraud trial?

I think it would be much less ambitious, much simpler and much more effective to reform education than to try and control something as fluid and complex as international migration. Education has been reformed before and with success, and there are succesful models around the world that can help in reforming it now. Nobody´s ever cracked the migration nut except for a few far out loonies who built bloody great big walls and made their countries so tulipe nobody wanted to go there.

[vetran]

I think it would be much less ambitious, much simpler and much more effective to reform education than to try and control something as fluid and complex as international migration. Education has been reformed before and with success, and there are succesful models around the world that can help in reforming it now. Nobody´s ever cracked the migration nut except for a few far out loonies who built bloody great big walls and made their countries so tulipe nobody wanted to go there.

You realise we are an island?

[Mich the Tester]

You realise we are an island?

Yes, and while I can see that Britain's border checks have actually been strengthened in the last 20 years, people are still complaining that immigrants are being let in. The policy's failing just like immigration policy all over the world is failing. Sort out education so people can live in and compete in a world where migration is reality.