Big global warming meeting in Canada

[sasguru]

Now you are here I presume it will move up several notches of stupidity and ignorance

Still the ignorant, gobby, thicko at the back of the class.
Plus ca change ....

[BlasterBates]

Just one of many humiliating articles published in newspapers and magazines all over the world in 2013.

http://http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/19/spiegel-ends-europes-climate-denialism-european-media-now-scrambling-to-explain-end-of-warming/

I have noticed that now when the topic comes up in conversation, people say "I heard it's not as bad as they thought".

This must be quite traumatic for a believer in the Apocalypse...

Truly a very bad year indeed.

pj is unfortunately (for him) p**ssing in the wind and will continue to do so when the graphs he displays clearly show a several year flat trend. Simply "Shouting" won't change it.

[d000hg]

Climates always change, that is about as startling a revelation as discovering that the weather changes during the year

That's a crap argument whichever side you're on.

[EternalOptimist]

Sas, what ARE your positions on the scientific and political aspects of climate change? Sorry if you already wrote it in the thread, I can't bear reading the whole thing to look.

One of the mainstays of science is the ability to replicate the work of other scientists.
One of the hallmarks of climate science is the refusal of climate scientists to let others see their workings.

That has got to change imho

[pjclarke]

Can I just point out that the graph in BB's link is from the Second Order Draft of the IPCC report, marked in block letters as a temporary placeholder, contained errors which when corrected change the picture more than somewhat, without being accused of oh, 'not engaging' or not being scientific or something or other? The finished version looks like

[EternalOptimist]

if a financial advisor came to me and said 'shares in rolls royce will be x in 2020. trust me , my models is 100% accurate'

then a second financial advisor came to me and said 'shares in rolls royce will be y in 2020. trust me , my models is 100% accurate'

I could accept that. they both think they are right.


What I cant accept, is when a third person comes along (pj) and claims they are BOTH 100% accurate


mind numbing

[pjclarke]

One of the hallmarks of climate science is the refusal of climate scientists to let others see their workings.

Piffle.

Name one result underlying the concensus that is not based on hundreds of peer-reviewed studies. You can't, any more than you could provide evidence to support your accusation of dishonesty and data manipulation.

You need to widen your reading beyond Watts, Goddard and McIntyre, my friend. The science is not strong because of the concensus, the consensus is strong because of the science.

[EternalOptimist]

Piffle.

Name one result underlying the concensus that is not based on hundreds of peer-reviewed studies. You can't, any more than you could provide evidence to support your accusation of dishonesty and data manipulation.

You need to widen your reading beyond Watts, Goddard and McIntyre, my friend. The science is not strong because of the concensus, the consensus is strong because of the science.

ok. i widen my reading to include phil jones

“The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone”.

[pjclarke]

I am certainly not going to defend every example of bad phrasing, joke, irony or hyperbole in stolen private correspondence, however it is the case that the temperature series Jones curates can be fully reproduced from publicly available data. It is also the case that McIntyre, one of the 'M's orchestrated a campaign of frivolous FOI requests, 60 in one 5 day period, all of which must be responded to.

Add in some gratuitous rudeness on McIntyre's website about Jones and colleagues and it is not really surprising if they occasionally used intemperate language in private.

Another question goes unanswered.

[pjclarke]

What I cant accept, is when a third person comes along (pj) and claims they are BOTH 100% accurate

Travesty.

There, I engaged.