Low Carb - High Fat diet

[original PM]

If you could argue a point rather than throwing insults that would help.

Are you new around here?

[Old Greg]

If you could argue a point rather than throwing insults that would help.

I have what I need. You may carry on as before.

[russell]

Why do you believe that?

I was under the impression that it was a generally accepted fact that to lose weight one reduces calorific intake (or increases calorific burn but this has much less of an effect)?

The theory is that insulin promotes fat cells to store more fat and not release it for energy. This organisation is going to do proper controlled experiements on this.

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[d000hg]

Eh? I'm just repeating what the article says, not sure how that makes me a cretin, a cretin is someone who doesn't understand the dialectic process, much like yourself.

A cretin would be someone who tells everyone they need to read an article for the truth in it, without any research into whether it's a load of BS. And then backtracks to pretend they never did this...

I'm not convinced myself by the wheat thing

however I believe that a diet high in carbs is the cause of obesity, not the energy imbalance of too many calories in vs out.

Well then you really are a plain cretin because that's just plain, well-tested science

[russell]

A cretin would be someone who tells everyone they need to read an article for the truth in it, without any research into whether it's a load of BS. And then backtracks to pretend they never did this...


Well then you really are a plain cretin because that's just plain, well-tested science

I never said it was true, I was presenting it to discuss and your first point was not really applicable to what the article posited. I didn't write the article BTW hope that is clear.

Well-tested science?, you obviously have no idea how bad the science is in public health arena. You are ignorant, naive and arrogant.

[Mich the Tester]

I never said it was true, I was presenting it to discuss and your first point was not really applicable to what the article posited. I didn't write the article BTW hope that is clear.

Well-tested science?, you obviously have no idea how bad the science is in public health arena. You are ignorant, naive and arrogant.

Right, can you answer my question then?

Umm, well then can you explain why all sorts of athletes, ranging from speed athletes through strength athletes to endurance athletes are not fat? Is it perhaps a little bit to do with them burning off lots of carbohydrates, given that they nearly all eat lots of spuds/bread/rice/pasta?

[Old Greg]

You are ignorant, naive and arrogant.

Do we have your word as a cretin on that?

[russell]

Right, can you answer my question then?

What if athletes are self selected, they are athletes because there bodies are efficient at using fat for energy and not storing it?

Kind of like asking why high jumpers or basketball players are all tall, is it because basketball makes you tall?

[russell]

Do we have your word as a cretin on that?

Is that all youve got, calling someone a cretin over and over? At least Sasguru put in some clever wit when he insulted, obvioulsy you are unable to do that with your slow and muddled thought process.

[Mich the Tester]

What if athletes are self selected, they are athletes because there bodies are efficient at using fat for energy and not storing it?

Kind of like asking why high jumpers or basketball players are all tall, is it because basketball makes you tall?

So you're trying to turn it around?

No, look, athletes get fat if they continue eating like athletes and stop exercising. I've been there myself; stopped playing rugby for a couple of years to chase the delusion known as a 'career' and put on two stone of wobble in two years. Then I started training again and shed the wobble. In the past, lots of sportspeople turn into blobbies when they stopped, but now 'detraining' and diet adaption gets more attention. Many, many athletes have to be very careful with diet when they take time out for injury, for exactly the same reason. Yes, there are differences, but they aren't sufficient to explain why people who do lots of exercise AND eat lots of carbs tend not to be fat. I store fat in the same way as anybody else. I burn it the same way too.

The basketball comparison is pointless, because 'tall' and 'fat' are two entirely different things. One is to do with bone length, the other is to do with the make up of soft tissue.