Low Carb - High Fat diet

[russell]

So you're trying to turn it around?

No, look, athletes get fat if they continue eating like athletes and stop exercising. I've been there myself; stopped playing rugby for a couple of years to chase the delusion known as a 'career' and put on two stone of wobble in two years. Then I started training again and shed the wobble. In the past, lots of sportspeople turn into blobbies when they stopped, but now 'detraining' and diet adaption gets more attention. Many, many athletes have to be very careful with diet when they take time out for injury, for exactly the same reason. Yes, tere are differences, but they aren't sufficient to explain why people who do lots of exercise AND eat lots of carbs tend not to be fat. I store fat in the same way as anybody else. I burn it the same way too.

The basketball comparison is pointless, because 'tall' and 'fat' are two entirely different things. One is to do with bone length, the other is to do with the make up of soft tissue.

What makes bones grow, growth hormone, people that are unusually tall have more of that hormone, the theory here is that insulin causes fat to be stored so more of that is released when you eat carbs. Obviously when you exercise your body uses the excess energy in your blood (from the carbs) that would normally get stored as fat, if you didn't exercise. The argument is it's not as simple as calories in and out it's about the make up of macro nutrient in the diet.

[darmstadt]

What if athletes are self selected, they are athletes because there bodies are efficient at using fat for energy and not storing it?

Kind of like asking why high jumpers or basketball players are all tall, is it because basketball makes you tall?

Does that mean that shagging a lot makes your dick big as porn stars tend to have big dicks, apparently...

[darmstadt]

What makes bones grow, growth hormone, people that are unusually tall have more of that hormone, the theory here is that insulin causes fat to be stored so more of that is released when you eat carbs. Obviously when you exercise your body uses the excess energy in your blood (from the carbs) that would normally get stored as fat, if you didn't exercise. The argument is it's not as simple as calories in and out it's about the make up of macro nutrient in the diet.

Why does that explain that Dutch people are on average the tallest people in the world? They get stuffed with growth hormone foodstuffs at an early age? I think that Mich is pretty much on the right track but I also think that metabolism comes in to play here at some point also...

[Mich the Tester]

What makes bones grow, growth hormone, people that are unusually tall have more of that hormone, the theory here is that insulin causes fat to be stored so more of that is released when you eat carbs. Obviously when you exercise your body uses the excess energy in your blood (from the carbs) that would normally get stored as fat, if you didn't exercise. The argument is it's not as simple as calories in and out it's about the make up of macro nutrient in the diet.

There are a various possible explanations for the empirically observed weight loss of people on high fat or high protein and low carbohydrate diets, and here are the ones I know of;

- your article's explanation, to do with insulin, growth hormone and modified wheat, which relies on assumptions about multiple subjects having similar levels of insulin and growth hormones and the assumption that modern wheat has some different nutritional qualities to old wheat.

- the simple explanation; when you eat fat or protein it stills your hunger. Try eating a plate of mushrooms; there are not many calories in mushrooms but they fill you up. So, people on those diets feel like they're full and stop eating when actually they're eating less calories than when they eat starchy products like spuds or pasta. So, due to eating less calories, and perhaps doing a bit of exercise (burning a bit more) they lose weight.

Perhaps William of Ockham could help here. I think he'd say 'get off your fat bum, stop stuffing yourself with chips and do some exercise'.

[Mich the Tester]

Why does that explain that Dutch people are on average the tallest people in the world? They get stuffed with growth hormone foodstuffs at an early age? I think that Mich is pretty much on the right track but I also think that metabolism comes in to play here at some point also...

Well there's also the simpler explanation of good healthcare and plentiful protein and minerals from birth, genetic predisposition to being tall (as with other Germanic peoples) and then the self reinforcing effect that tall people tend to fall for tall people and have tall offspring.


Yes, metabolism must have an effect, but still; eat too much and move too little, you get fat. Eat a lot and move a lot, you don't get fat. Eat a little and move a lot, you get really thin and eventually die.

[russell]

Why does that explain that Dutch people are on average the tallest people in the world? They get stuffed with growth hormone foodstuffs at an early age? I think that Mich is pretty much on the right track but I also think that metabolism comes in to play here at some point also...

No I was showing that some groups are self selected. So you can't then say all athletes are thin so being an athlete makes you thin, any more than saying basketball players are all tall so playing it makes you tall, or sumo wrestlers are all fat so ... you get the point.

[Old Greg]

There are a various possible explanations for the empirically observed weight loss of people on high fat or high protein and low carbohydrate diets, and here are the ones I know of;

- your article's explanation, to do with insulin, growth hormone and modified wheat, which relies on assumptions about multiple subjects having similar levels of insulin and growth hormones and the assumption that modern wheat has some different nutritional qualities to old wheat.

- the simple explanation; when you eat fat or protein it stills your hunger. Try eating a plate of mushrooms; there are not many calories in mushrooms but they fill you up. So, people on those diets feel like they're full and stop eating when actually they're eating less calories than when they eat starchy products like spuds or pasta. So, due to eating less calories, and perhaps doing a bit of exercise (burning a bit more) they lose weight.

Perhaps William of Ockham could help here. I think he'd say 'get off your fat bum, stop stuffing yourself with chips and do some exercise, cretin'.

FTFT

[Mich the Tester]

No I was showing that some groups are self selected. So you can't then say all athletes are thin so being an athlete makes you thin, any more than saying basketball players are all tall so playing it makes you tall, or sumo wrestlers are all fat so ... you get the point.

No, you're talking about self selection of groups here in a discussion about the chemical processes in the body. Athletes are indeed likely to have characteristics that are more strongly present than in others, like the ability to gain muscle mass, grow new blood vessels or store more glycogen, but the chemical processes in their bodies are exactly the same as in any other mammal's body.

[NotAllThere]

Does that mean that shagging a lot makes your dick big as porn stars tend to have big dicks, apparently...

Porn starts only have big dicks in comparison to yours.

[Mich the Tester]

Does that mean that shagging a lot makes your dick big as porn stars tend to have big dicks, apparently...

Porn starts only have big dicks in comparison to yours.

The Genital Theory of Relativity?